Should battlegrounds have a gear level requirement?

[Byniri]

I heal as disc for pvp, and nothing angers me more than seeing people in ilvl 312 greens or worse. For me, there's no incentive to heal someone that I know will get 2-shotted and then scream at me for being a fail healer. Even worse is when that person is a 'dps' in a game like WSG, TP or AB, where all they do is take up a spot by doing less than 200k damage. I've seen people in 312 greens, Mount Hyjal 272 greens, Wrath gear, and worse. They usually have less than 86k health and are just free HKs for the other side.

While venting my anger in trade chat, we had a discussion about an idea. What if Blizz were to impose minimum gear levels for joining random BGs? This would cut down on the number of people in terrible terrible <312 greens and make some games a little more competitive. The minimum would probably be around 339, which is the gear level of the craftable pvp gear.


A few arguments you may have:

-How else are they supposed to get gear?
Ans: Heroics, craftable gear, BoE gear, Rep gear, small amounts of pvp gear from pre-85 BGs, do Tol Barad for honor.

-Everyone had to start at some point. Even you had to start at some point.
Ans: I did heroics, I got the craftable pvp gear, I got lucky on some BoEs. I got some decent gear before I went to the BGs.

-People still won't succeed without pvp gear, even if they have good pve gear.
Ans: Not true. I've been in games where the top damage/KBs was someone with average ilvl of 346 with Heroic 5-man gear.

[Deleted]

no, im in the bgs to gear up for arena, and a good player with bad gear is still a good player, i dinged my lock 85 a few days ago, and went straight into bgs, and did better than most the ally already in it, most the people with good gear in bgs dont care about winning and just go around farming kills without focussing on objectives.

While venting my anger in trade chat, we had a discussion about an idea. What if Blizz were to impose minimum gear levels for joining random BGs? This would cut down on the number of people in terrible terrible <312 greens and make some games a little more competitive. The minimum would probably be around 339, which is the gear level of the craftable pvp gear.

if you want competitive bgs, do rated bgs.

[eErike]

-People still won't succeed without pvp gear, even if they have good pve gear.
Ans: Not true. I've been in games where the top damage/KBs was someone with average ilvl of 346 with Heroic 5-man gear.

Because K/D ratio is everything in PvP, amarite?

[Illegal Alien Bro]

make different item level brackets at level 85, 1 for under geared scrubs and one for average joes.
Solved.

[phyrix]

Not a bad idea, but it will never happen.

Blizzard never wants to have craftable gear as a requirement for anything. As a bonus, sure, as a way to make it easier, sure, but never as a requirement.

Doing heroics isn't an option for most pvp'ers. That means you have to gear up 3 times instead of once. Once to get the required ilevel for heroics, once to get enough gear to enter the battlegrounds if there's a required ilevel, and then once more in pvp gear. All that so they can then start doing what they really enjoy.

And let's face it, it doesn't really matter that much. Battlegrounds are just an honor farm before you can start doing arena's/rbgs. You're in battlegrounds for like two weeks tops to get full 352 pvp gear. I recently did this on my druid, and I'm alliance, I lost most bg's most of the time.
Add to that the fact that battlegrounds are really bullsh*t pvp, and it's a no-brainer. I play my druid as a healer, so everybody's always all over me. The difference between when I started in leveling gear and now in full 352 (except weapon/offhand) is that I die slightly slower, or not slower at all. Furthermore, Isle of Conquest and AV are nothing but a PVE race, no pvp gear required at all.

TL;DR: Never going to happen, doesn't matter much anyway

make different item level brackets at level 85, 1 for under geared scrubs and one for average joes.
Solved.

Undergeared != Scrub
That's just stupid to say that. Everybody starts out in leveling gear.

[Deleted]

make different item level brackets at level 85, 1 for under geared scrubs and one for average joes.
Solved.

although queue times would probably get a lot longer, especially for people with lower gear.

[Neurotoxinx]

It is insanely maddening in BGs lately - especially leveling up. It makes me rage internally when I see people in BRUTAL in BGs. Just... no. No. Gtfo. Or people with missing gear in some slots. Those are the people who shouldn't be able to do bgs - I'm seeing far too much of that type of retardation.

[jmacphee9]

-Everyone had to start at some point. Even you had to start at some point.
Ans: I did heroics, I got the craftable pvp gear, I got lucky on some BoEs. I got some decent gear before I went to the BGs.

well arent you special, but that doesnt change the fact that BGs are how you get honor for pvp gear, and dont forget the 45 min queue for dungeons>1 min for pvp.

[Powell]

Actually, it does matter.

This is still a game, and a game should be enjoyable.
PvP is competitive, wether it be random BGs or rated, they are still competitive.

Rated takes the Gear variable out of the picture and makes it purely based on team play and skill, however in random BGs gear has a huge impact on winning or losing.

So both competitive nature and the fun factor is being comprimised by putting Viscious geared people up against fresh 80s.

Its pure frustration, for anyone to gear up on PvP.

[phyrix]

Actually, it does matter.

This is still a game, and a game should be enjoyable.
PvP is competitive, wether it be random BGs or rated, they are still competitive.

Rated takes the Gear variable out of the picture and makes it purely based on team play and skill, however in random BGs gear has a huge impact on winning or losing.

So both competitive nature and the fun factor is being comprimised by putting Viscious geared people up against fresh 80s.

Its pure frustration, for anyone to gear up on PvP.

True, but whether you're in crafted pvp gear or in leveling gear, those vicious folks will still eat you alive in either case. Gearing up in pvp gear is frustrating yes, I agree. Just as gearing up in pve gear is frustrating because of fail groups and your items not dropping.

[Raze666]

I actually enjoy go and kill 90k hp warrior) Love the crits love the fun.
That will teach them not to come unprepared And btw ppl i nuke as a feral because they under geared are the one that posting about feral nerfs;P

[Evolixe]

I didn't even read your post, but purely judging from the Title im going to say the following:

Stop caring so much for the god damn purples will you?
Gear does not matter. Unless someone is walking around naked, you can complete a bg just fine with a set of half working brains and pve outfitting.

Its a matter of skill, far more than a matter of gear. The amount of times this has been proven to me in first person is uncountable..

[Deleted]

If you want a competitive team just group up with some guildies who know what to do, otherwise it's like blocking some more casual people from enjoying the product that they pay 15 euros per month. I don't like bad geared people too but... c'est WoW

[nyralotep]

If you want to ensure everyone has gear there is already something in place for you: RBG's. Make your own group of people with good gear and do rateds. Problem solved.

[Rezman]

I think everything should have gear level requirements and it should be set at the max ilevel for the current content.



/end sarcasm.

[Jaqera]

No, gear level requirements should not be put on battlegrounds as battlegrounds is the source of honour and subsequently PVP gear.

[Swaggah]

So if you dont enjoy pve, you'll be forced into doing dungeons. If you dont want that you'll be forced into spending tons of gold. Where is the fairness in all of this?

[Varyk]

No because PvP is all skill (sarcasm)

[tekoix]

Your idiotic. Telling people to get PvE gear to join a BG is the same as having no gear. They still will be a free kill and useless. Have you tried healing a PvE player? Even in full 372 they die faster then possible to heal unless the other player is wearing wrath gear.

And anyways, there are a ton of full viscous geared players in BG's that are mouth breathing morons and do worse then players in blue's. A item level requirement won't help anything. All it will do is make fully geared players join and afk like they always do and since they are all geared no one will try.

Every BG someone always asks the fully geared player to help the team or do something in general other then guard empty areas and the answer is always the same. "Why? I'm fully geared I don't need any honor, I don't care if you lose."

[Raze666]

No because PvP is all skill (sarcasm)

It's actually is.Can u kill something without dbm?