Heroic Ragnaros - would you even bother?

[Deleted]

This is a hypothetical question but it's based on reality.

Let's say you're in a good raiding guild that has become accustomed to clearing heroic content at an acceptable rate. I'm not talking about World Firsts here but a few Server-firsts here and there and a wowprogress positioning of roughly 400-600.

You raid 4 nights a week and generally make solid progress. You try to balance things out with real-life while maintaining overall good performance.

You've just killed Majordomo and Baleroc heroic, which were hard, but manageable.

Now the path is open to Heroic Ragnaros.

It is generally accepted that Ragnaros is one of the, maybe even THE hardest raid-boss in WoW history. He has at this point, still only been killed by 19 guilds and the kill-rate doesn't seem to be increasing much.

Knowing that Ragnaros is such a hard fight and your guild probably doesn't have the quality nor endurance to kill the boss, would you still attempt to kill him or simply wait for a nerf?

On one hand, practicing the fight might make it easier to kill the boss once a nerf does happen, giving you an edge in the competitive race.

On the other hand if you try too hard you run the risk of burning out your raid on a practically unbeatable boss.

Assuming you were in that situation, what would you do?

[Mystile]

Do a few attempts on your normal raid nights. An hour or so, would probably be good before just swapping to normal and killing it.

[Deleted]

Yes, I would.
There are a few reasons for it but I think the main one would be so that when the nerf comes, you already have nailed a few parts of the fight so you know when the nerf comes, things can only get better.
We were discussing the same thing actually on Tuesday night during our raid (after killing Majordomo Hc), we killed Raggy on Normal obviously because we were low on time before raid end before the reset.
The general opinion was very much what I said above, the more you do now, the better you will do when it gets nerfed.
Our chances of killing him are not great before we see a nerf so we accept that trying it now will do no real harm, although don't expect to kill it untill it is nerfed.

[zox]

Practice is the most important thing when facing a difficult boss. Following far behind, yet still important is gearing up from previous bosses. I hope Ragna won't be nerfed. Possibly on the level of reducing p4 RNG (like how far apart can the frost patches/roots be placed, things of that order. You can call me on this, but I don't really remember Sinestra being nerfed, so I'm hoping the same treatment for Ragna and DW hard modes.

[Deleted]

Try it until you kill it or figure out from practice that you can't beat it without an unavailable raid composition and/or more gear.

Also I think a definitive judging of its difficulty will have to wait until everyone is in full 391 gear.

[Gohzerlock]

I'm sure it's insanely hard, but for guilds like this is there much else to do? I'm sure some of the other heroics are still difficult for them, not everyone in the raid groups are decked in all heroic gear yet 2.

What if they did nerf it? More qq from people who want longer raids? When they do nerf it they are kinda cutting the end of the patch to usher in the new one.

[Fiveyoushi]

As GM of my own guild, i honestly dont know how i would proceed with him. I might do a few attempts at him, but probably nothing too serious, that's IF we somehow managed to get to that point by the time 4.3 comes out (since patches seem to be coming out a much faster pace). Looking at wowprogress and that only 19 or so guilds have actually downed him, I'd be more likely to say no if/when my guild gets to that point.

We're only 2/7 Heroic (got Rhyolith down last night /yay) and to be perfectly honest, i dont see us doing anything serious with that particular encounter for a very long time. So TL/DR: No, i wouldnt even bother with Heroic Raggy.

[brolly]

tried and succeeded, was a real pain in the ass but worth it when he finally died. (25 man)

i really hope they dont nerf him, since every week of gear makes him significantly easier.

[Cyriaa]

I put 600 attempts into heroic al'akir pre nerf, with about 500 P1 wipes.
we downed it pre nerf (april 6)
I think I can handle Rag.

[Jibjabb]

were in that situation

I assume we are gonna do a decent amount of attempts each week will the possibility of ending early if we are constantly hitting a wall that isnt really something we can quick fix by saying "play better" Nerfs to him are imminent and many aspects of him are severe DPS checks so will gradually get easier over time

[Kraai]

My guild wants to wait for a nerf but with a nerf comes goodbye firehawk. ((Which is the only reason I'd do it anyways.)

[brolly]

I put 600 attempts into heroic al'akir pre nerf, with about 500 P1 wipes.
we downed it pre nerf (april 6)
I think I can handle Rag.

if it took you 600 attempts to kill al'akir 25 heroic it will take you about 10 times more to kill 25 hc rag. and you also have to consider that your average pull on rangaros takes 10 minutes while an al'akir pull with p1 wipe took 2 minutes.

[Deleted]

I put 600 attempts into heroic al'akir pre nerf, with about 500 P1 wipes.
we downed it pre nerf (april 6)
I think I can handle Rag.

If you had killed heroic AA prenerf you would be either in Paragon who killed it in 25 or that Taiwanese guild who did it in 10 man. Everyone else, especially your ~1k ranked guild, killed it after nerfs.

[Auliô]

I would. I say go for it. You never know if you can really do something untill you attempt it.

[Emaias]

I am in a guild thats like this - Something Novel Us Blackrock Horde; and for guilds like us, there is NOTHING else to do all raid week. usually we down 6/7 HC in one night, sometimes two if baleroc / rhyo volcanoes give us some issues. But other then that we have 3 - 4 more nights of raiding to do.

The question you ask is kind of contradictory. You ask if you are in a guild thats reached it would you even attempt it, when obviously if they got that far why wouldnt they continue and try? We have put around 190 pulls into heroic rag, and are getting to 40%, and quite honestly its the most fun I've had raiding in a long time, the boss just doesnt bend over, or have any forgiving mistakes so even if one person is out of line, wither it be a lava wave, seed placement, or just not doing as much DPS/HPS as that individual needs to be doing it's going to be a wipe. Imo bring back more bosses like this.

[timoseewho]

Sure, just work your ass to it, then don't bother with it, that really helps.

[PBitt]

If I was 6/7 Heroic, which I'm not, then I'd say hell yeah, but I suppose I wouldn't push it too much yet...and personally I think I'd go for the Meta first, it's a lot easier and if you can do 6/7 heroic you can do the other achievements. I really think the fight was probably designed to be doable in mostly 391 gear, the top guilds can make magic happen in greens and blues so I wouldn't go by what they had for gear at the time of their kill.

[Herecius]

Abso-friggin'-lutely.

[Viceversa]

4 nights a week is pretty hardcore, def not casual

[Deleted]

practise makes a master, eventually you will get it, and if everything is handed to you it will stop being a challenge and fun achieveing stuff