A little help :)

[Fressh]

Alright I know there are a MILLION threads about this but, I need help on my Mage. I raid and other mages will hit around 13-15K DPS and they have about the same gear as i do.
I think I am doing the rotation correct, Scorch, LB, and spam FB till HS procs, after a HS reapply LB and use combustion. If I am incorrect please let me know. I would link my char. from the armory but I logged out in my PVP gear... Anyways let me know if you have any suggestions.

Edit: here is the link us.battle.net/wow/en/character/frostmane/fressh/simple

[Fressh]

I'll take a look at your link and Relog off in my PvE gear, thanks!

[Deleted]

Precasting a Pyroblast so it hits just after the tank is better than Scorching, you get the Critical Mass debuff on the mob plus the dot Pyroblast leaves.

Another little trick is to drink a Volcanic Potion just before the tank pulls, this should let you use another later in the fight and boost your dps at the start.

Apart from that I can't say much more until you post your Armory.

[Exoter175]

General fire maging rotations will vary from fight to fight.

Basic Advice goes like this.

Open up with Pyroblast + Living Bomb to incur a GCD while you apply. The idea behind this isn't so much about getting Critical Mass up, or getting the Pyroblast DoT up on the target asap, but rather, trying to get a critical Pyroblast + Living Bomb application, so that you can immediately use combustion following the LB GCD.

A lot of these fights early on will range between 5 and 8 minutes.

If you can open up the first 15 seconds of a fight with a Combustion and force an Ignite + Pyroblast right before Combustion comes off Cooldown, you can theoretically reapply it at 2:16, and again at 4:17 in a 5 minute fight like in BH. That's 3 combustion usages which is a pretty ridiculous amount of DPS for us compared to waiting for a Pyroblast! Proc and likely forcing us into only using 2 combustions during that same time period.

Ideally, once you get to know a fight, you really want to try and maximize your combustion DPS for certain events. A majority of these fights in our current tier offer a "damage increase" phase or situation where we can do X% more damage for Y amount of time.

A great example of this is Magmaw. He takes double damage during his "exposed head" phase. Making sure you have a Combustion available for this phase is pretty huge. Conversely, making sure you have a Combustion ready for his "explosed head" phase, while under 35% health is even more important. So, try to finagle your rotation a little bit depending on the fight you are facing and based on efficiency of your raid. (Your 2nd kill of X boss will likely end up being slightly faster, so plan ahead for that).

One other thing to note until 4.1 hits, using your current design about waiting for Pyroblast! proc, reapplying LB, and using Combustion. Make SURE you have an Ignite from Fireball or Pyroblast/Pyroblast! on there before you use your combustion, or you are essentially wasting it.

[Max Rebo]

Precasting a Pyroblast so it hits just after the tank is better than Scorching, you get the Critical Mass debuff on the mob plus the dot Pyroblast leaves.

A potential problem with precasting Pyro to have it hit just after the tank hits the boss is that if Pyro crits. The tank will have a moment of "omgwtf." It's good to precast MI as well, just in case you get that random crit.

You could also wait to see if Pyro crits and then cast MI, but you'd probably still peel the boss. You just have to pay attention here more than any other time.

Otherwise, just doing the standard LB--Scorch--FB until HS Pyro--Combustion routine is always good.

Try both methods.

[Sangheiili]

General fire maging rotations will vary from fight to fight.

Basic Advice goes like this.

Open up with Pyroblast + Living Bomb to incur a GCD while you apply. The idea behind this isn't so much about getting Critical Mass up, or getting the Pyroblast DoT up on the target asap, but rather, trying to get a critical Pyroblast + Living Bomb application, so that you can immediately use combustion following the LB GCD.

A lot of these fights early on will range between 5 and 8 minutes.

If you can open up the first 15 seconds of a fight with a Combustion and force an Ignite + Pyroblast right before Combustion comes off Cooldown, you can theoretically reapply it at 2:16, and again at 4:17 in a 5 minute fight like in BH. That's 3 combustion usages which is a pretty ridiculous amount of DPS for us compared to waiting for a Pyroblast! Proc and likely forcing us into only using 2 combustions during that same time period.

Ideally, once you get to know a fight, you really want to try and maximize your combustion DPS for certain events. A majority of these fights in our current tier offer a "damage increase" phase or situation where we can do X% more damage for Y amount of time.

A great example of this is Magmaw. He takes double damage during his "exposed head" phase. Making sure you have a Combustion available for this phase is pretty huge. Conversely, making sure you have a Combustion ready for his "explosed head" phase, while under 35% health is even more important. So, try to finagle your rotation a little bit depending on the fight you are facing and based on efficiency of your raid. (Your 2nd kill of X boss will likely end up being slightly faster, so plan ahead for that).

One other thing to note until 4.1 hits, using your current design about waiting for Pyroblast! proc, reapplying LB, and using Combustion. Make SURE you have an Ignite from Fireball or Pyroblast/Pyroblast! on there before you use your combustion, or you are essentially wasting it.

You shouldn't combust off your pre-cast pyro, because your trinkets/Synapse won't be active (Synapse may, trinkets wont). My pre-cast pyro hits for a few thousand less than my double trinket + synapse fireballs, so the combustion potential is lower.

That said, if it is a fight that needs AoE really early, and the pyro crits, combusting that is probably worth it.

Edit to the OP: Start the fight by pre-potting, pre-casting pyro, then MI, then Flame Orb (maybe flame orb, supposedly it's a DPS drop), then FB. Combust off of a fireball or Pyroblast! when your trinkets pop together early for the biggest possible combustion. Never refresh LB early. Let is explode, let the debuff fall, then cast it after your current spell, assuming MI or FO aren't off CD.

Make a /stopcasting macro for combustion, because you want to hit it as SOON as you see the big crit, so there's less time for a bad munch that screws you thanks to the new latency lock-in system.

[Exoter175]

You shouldn't combust off your pre-cast pyro, because your trinkets/Synapse won't be active (Synapse may, trinkets wont). My pre-cast pyro hits for a few thousand less than my double trinket + synapse fireballs, so the combustion potential is lower.

That said, if it is a fight that needs AoE really early, and the pyro crits, combusting that is probably worth it.

Edit to the OP: Start the fight by pre-potting, pre-casting pyro, then MI, then Flame Orb (maybe flame orb, supposedly it's a DPS drop), then FB. Combust off of a fireball or Pyroblast! when your trinkets pop together early for the biggest possible combustion. Never refresh LB early. Let is explode, let the debuff fall, then cast it after your current spell, assuming MI or FO aren't off CD.

Make a /stopcasting macro for combustion, because you want to hit it as SOON as you see the big crit, so there's less time for a bad munch that screws you thanks to the new latency lock-in system.

You do realize that most all of the non "on use" trinkets can and will proc off of any spell right?

I don't know about you, but a Pyroblast isn't the first spell I cast going into the pull. Just a bit of a "mage trick" for you. Casting things like Mage Ward, Blink, etc. can and often will proc your trinkets/Lightweave/etc Pre-Fight. :P

And, like I said, it depends more on the fight than anything else. You don't always have to use your combustion immediately, though it is advised on a majority of these fights.

[Wilderness]

Seeing your gear will help people give advice on how to gem, enchant, reforge, etc. Pre-potting and pre-casting Pyro can be helpful as well although neither would result in terrible dps if you didn't do it as long as everything else you are doing is right.

My guess is that you need to improve your uptime although that would be hard to say without seeing a log. But the biggest reason why I see mages who don't do as much dps as they could/should its because they aren't at 99%+ uptime (most of T11 you can and should always be casting although it isn't true for all fights). When you move you should always be casting scorch so that you are continuing to do damage while moving. There are a few times when you should blink (like to get out of the breath on V&T) but for the most part don't use blink but rather cast scorch while moving.

Maximizing your combustion is also a good way to pick up a chunk of dps, particularly on fights with adds. I've found that using CombustionHelper really helps me to know exactly when to hit Combustion and when to hold on for a better ignite. If you know BL/Hero is coming up pretty soon then wait to use your combustion since it will give you at least another tick on it.

Other than that, without seeing specifics, just try to learn the fights as best you can so that you can anticipate when you will need to move, how to maximize your cooldowns, etc.

[Sangheiili]

You do realize that most all of the non "on use" trinkets can and will proc off of any spell right?

I don't know about you, but a Pyroblast isn't the first spell I cast going into the pull. Just a bit of a "mage trick" for you. Casting things like Mage Ward, Blink, etc. can and often will proc your trinkets/Lightweave/etc Pre-Fight. :P

And, like I said, it depends more on the fight than anything else. You don't always have to use your combustion immediately, though it is advised on a majority of these fights.

Unfortunately, the trinkets I'm running are heroic bell and DMC:V. One is from crits, one is from dealing damage.

Also, those are the trinkets ALL mages should be running/aspiring to be running.

So while your information is generally correct, in this current tier of gear it is not.

[Exoter175]

Unfortunately, the trinkets I'm running are heroic bell and DMC:V. One is from crits, one is from dealing damage.

Also, those are the trinkets ALL mages should be running/aspiring to be running.

So while your information is generally correct, in this current tier of gear it is not.

Unless I am gravely mistaken, both of your trinkets actually proc from damage done, not crit.

Regardless, the information I gave isn't incorrect. My current gearset does just that, and I'm willing to bet that the OP's does as well. And, as it turns out, yours does too. Granted, you need to have done some degree of damage for yours to proc, whereas we can "Cheat" the proc by casting spells prior to engagement.

That being said, a precast Pyroblast CAN proc your trinkets, and, in the event of a pre cast critical Pyroblast, you SHOULD be combusting immediately before that ignite gets munched.

Believe it or not, you can't always wait for the "best case scenario". It is strongly advised and encourage to ALWAYS combust when you have a Fireball/Pryoblast Ignite up +LB +CM+ Pyro DoT, even if you don't have a trinket proc'd.

As a matter of fact, your way using a Double Pot + Trinkets, requires you to pre-cast Pyroblast + LB and pray that your next Fireball crits, and likely clip an LB just to assure you get a double trinket + PoT + Synapse/Lightweave Combustion inside of a 3 second window, realistically speaking.

Consider, for a moment, the possibility that your trinkets/lightweave/synapse don't proc inside of the First pot window, and take a while to line up. You could very well clip an entire Combustion cooldown from your combat log by waiting, with the net result being a DPS loss.

In short, never rely on a proc you can't control to use Combustion. If LB is up, Pyro is UP, Critical Mass is up, and you have a Fireball/Pyroblast Ignite rolling, ALWAYS use Combustion.

[Sangheiili]

Unless I am gravely mistaken, both of your trinkets actually proc from damage done, not crit.

Regardless, the information I gave isn't incorrect. My current gearset does just that, and I'm willing to bet that the OP's does as well. And, as it turns out, yours does too. Granted, you need to have done some degree of damage for yours to proc, whereas we can "Cheat" the proc by casting spells prior to engagement.

That being said, a precast Pyroblast CAN proc your trinkets, and, in the event of a pre cast critical Pyroblast, you SHOULD be combusting immediately before that ignite gets munched.

Believe it or not, you can't always wait for the "best case scenario". It is strongly advised and encourage to ALWAYS combust when you have a Fireball/Pryoblast Ignite up +LB +CM+ Pyro DoT, even if you don't have a trinket proc'd.

As a matter of fact, your way using a Double Pot + Trinkets, requires you to pre-cast Pyroblast + LB and pray that your next Fireball crits, and likely clip an LB just to assure you get a double trinket + PoT + Synapse/Lightweave Combustion inside of a 3 second window, realistically speaking.

Consider, for a moment, the possibility that your trinkets/lightweave/synapse don't proc inside of the First pot window, and take a while to line up. You could very well clip an entire Combustion cooldown from your combat log by waiting, with the net result being a DPS loss.

In short, never rely on a proc you can't control to use Combustion. If LB is up, Pyro is UP, Critical Mass is up, and you have a Fireball/Pyroblast Ignite rolling, ALWAYS use Combustion.

You're right, it's on damage on bell, wonder why I thought it was on crit. Either way, I can wait for the "best" case scenario, because if I can manage to NOT crit with a FB to land a big ignite during my trinkets uptime, then my problem appears to be that RNGod hates me.

I've NEVER once had that problem though, so RNGod loves me.

[Epicmagelol]

I'll be posting a video soon showing rotation , if you have any questions just leave a comment.

[Fressh]

Alright sorry guys, here is the link to my gear us.battle.net/wow/en/character/frostmane/fressh/simpleThanks a bunch guys!

[Aacid]

Hi mate,

Had a quick loo kat your armory, just a few things:

1) Well you have cord of the raven queen... (replace) :P
2) You're a fair wack OVER hit cap, any points after 17% are wasted stats
3) PVP wand is bad
4) You have a resil enchant on your shoulders
5) Wrists need enchant
6) Legs need enchant
7) Get dragonmaw rep neck
8) ???
9) Profit

[Swizzle]

Unfortunately, the trinkets I'm running are heroic bell and DMC:V. One is from crits, one is from dealing damage.

Also, those are the trinkets ALL mages should be running/aspiring to be running.

So while your information is generally correct, in this current tier of gear it is not.

BoER procs from all damage, not just crits.
It is not the BiS trinket for Fire Mages, and it is not the BiS trinket for Arcane Mages, so I don't know who else would be going after it.

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@Exoter175

You should be hard casting a Pyroblast before a pull to get the DoT rolling early lending to the likelihood of a strong, early Combustion which can result in having more Combustion uses in a fight, which leads to more DPS, which means that what you said was not correct, meaning you shouldn't go around telling people untruths, meaning that you just got out douched on the interwebs.

[mordred69]

[QUOTE=Swizzle;10697473]BoER procs from all damage, not just crits.
It is not the BiS trinket for Fire Mages, and it is not the BiS trinket for Arcane Mages, so I don't know who else would be going after it.[COLOR="red"]

---------- Post added 2011-03-10 at 01:37 AM ----------

O? what is bis then for fire? most i see bell is...

[Swizzle]

O? what is bis then for fire? most i see bell is...

Unless things have changed, DMC:V and TM are BiS for Fire with the proper Ignite modeling.

[Deleted]

Hi mate,

Had a quick loo kat your armory, just a few things:

1) Well you have cord of the raven queen... (replace) :P
2) You're a fair wack OVER hit cap, any points after 17% are wasted stats
3) PVP wand is bad
4) You have a resil enchant on your shoulders
5) Wrists need enchant
6) Legs need enchant
7) Get dragonmaw rep neck
8) ???
9) Profit

Hes right.
And u should be on Arcane like I am >

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...talent/primary

And do like that: Mirror Image, Arcane Bolt 2-5 times, then Arcane Missiles, when it active and Arcane Barrage.

[Sangheiili]

Unless things have changed, DMC:V and TM are BiS for Fire with the proper Ignite modeling.

No... It's bell. Been bell for a while. Show me something disproving that, because I've NEVER heard of using TM. Or seen a mage with TM.

[Swizzle]

No... It's bell. Been bell for a while. Show me something disproving that, because I've NEVER heard of using TM. Or seen a mage with TM.

Go look at any BiS list or BiS sim. DMC:V+TM are BiS.