Beth'tilac input and critique

[Gradius125]

Currently I'm playing desto for beth'tilac atm and pulling 2nd highest dps in my 10 man raid only under a frost dk killing the little adds. I pull with BoH and multidot the spinners with immolate/corruption then burn down drones. I'm actually wondering if I would do more as demo. We haven't downed it yet and we keep getting overwhelmed around when the 3rd drone comes out. We're a small guild and we're working on getting a solid last few players.

Normally we send up an arcane mage with a warrior for first round and we played around with doing 2dps up twice and one the third time and such. Our last attempt last night we didnt send any dps up and had a ton of time between add phases but only got her down to 30% in phase 2.

You guys think I could be of more help as demo on the adds (my main role is dpsing the drone) and would it be 100% necessary to reforge everything for the demo stat priorities?

Heres my armory: us.battle.net/wow/en/character/andorhal/fomite/simple

And I can post a WoL later tonight after raid.
Thanks

(i was going to post this in the other beth'tilac thread but i didnt want to hijack the post, so sorry for the repeat-ish)

[helheim]

sounds like add management issues. have the dk on spiderlings full time, he can help taunt down spinners - this needs to happen because they spit for 20k, but only melee for like 3k. you can stay destro and help out on the spiderlings. keep the arcane mage up top (send him up 2x, stay down to help with adds after that). put the war down on the drone full time. when the 3rd devastation goes, make sure everyone - all dps - burn down the spiderlings. if this means leaving up a drone for the beginning of p2, so be it. try to get beth to ~70ish %. lust around 40%. win.

[Gradius125]

Well yeah right now we have the DK kill spiderlings, if another pack spawns before the first one is dead we have a BM/surv hunter multishotting and i drop shadowfury. The taunts we have our hunter and dk pulling down spiders, usually i end up tanking some for any amount of time due to my dots but our pally tank eventually pulls them off. the attempt we sent up mage+war and then mage solo and left down for the third i think we only got beth to around 80%. Our Arcane mage is only pulling like 8-10k while up top, idk if thats normal because of dodging or what.

[helheim]

thats really low. make sure he blows all his cds - mirrors etc - when he gets up top. try sticking with only sending him up, it's probably hurting your ability to down the drones in time. probably dont need your hunter helping out if the dk can pull his weight. soulfire any add, run in shadowflame, shadowfury - with howling blast spam they should drop just with the 2 of you on them. setup your portal in the middle so you can get on to the next pack more quickly.

even if you only push the boss to 80%, as long as no spiderlings make it alive into p2, the rest is pretty simple. dps needs to be good enough to prevent letting beth get over 30ish stacks of frenzy. keep that in mind.

[Gradius125]

Our DK is pretty much soloing the spiderlings, he only needs help when moving to the next pack to slow them down. thats when i shadowfury and the hunter helps out. the spinners are what crowd us, i try to get immolate/corruption on all of them and focus fire the drone.

I'm not familiar with arcane mages or the amount of movement required up top but (Her armory: us.battle.net/wow/en/character/andorhal/Aphrotitie/simple)
it seems sometimes during fights with movement she has much lower dps than the rest of the raid.

[Deleted]

If you go with one DPS up top, you should easily manage downstairs. I'd send the warrior up as the only DPS on her, and have the mage focus on drones, she shouldn't need to move. Hunter and DK shouldn't need any more help on spiderlings if Hunter is slowing them. You can glyph Shadowflame if you desperately need another slow for the adds. I only go Destro for Beth if we don't have any better options for controlling Spiderlings, really I think Affliction is just better if you're focusing on multidotting and if you have the Spinners clustered once pulled down, you can seed spam and have them die to DoTs and random cleave damage, they hit for nothing on the floor. Also can't underestimate Jinx and though you lose Bane of Havoc on her, you'll have more DPS in the execution phase which somewhat balances it out.

If you're saving Heroism/Time Warp and healing cooldowns for 35%ish, have the adds under control downstairs and she doesn't heal when she drops down (have the guys upstairs jump down ~5 secs before last Devastation to help clear up, the raid damage she does isn't anything special), you shouldn't have any problems finishing her from 85% if your warrior can get her that far.

[Gradius125]

Yeah we finally downed it, we decided to send myself (as affliction) up for the first 2, i got her down to about 85ish and just burned drones/multidotted spiders during the third round.

Heres the world of logs for the entire night: www.worldoflogs.com/reports/fy0fouxaczqacweb/

But anyways back to one of my original questions, to have a demo OS would i really need to reforge my gear? On the Rhy attempts it felt like I would be a lot more useful on adds as demo since I went destro during our attempts and soulfire would fall off all the time, super annoying.

Any helpful feedback regarding our raid, my gear/stats (see armory above) is very welcome.

Oh and instead of pulling with BoH I would open with souldrain and it wouldn't break when she moved up top... in case anyone was ever curious.

[Hoocha]

In my guild for our first attempt we didn't send anyone up. We just had everyone on the floor and made sure that the adds died on time everytime so that we didnt get overwhelmed. We found that even if we all jump on the spiderlings just before beth comes down she still always manages to eat 1 (thus the dps at the top was a waste of time). The following week we had a rogue who was nothing but useless, I don't know how the raid leader let him slip in, and we decided to send him up since he was just so useless down the bottom. Unfortunately he remained useless and we were just unable to down beth before the healers oomed.

So if your dps/heals are good enough to allow for it and you're struggling with adds just keep everyone down. Our 5 dps avg about 20k ea (in full 359 gear).

[Count Zero]

I almost can manage to solo the tiny spiders as Demo, with no heroic t11 gear. If I have Meta or Felstorm available I solo the pack; otherwise I need a bit of help.

[Deleted]

Just killed this on heroic 10 man and I had to play destro, they way we did it was.

Hunter soloing the spiderlings, me putting bane of havoc on pull. Me as destro nuking all spinners and drones along with a spriest, boomkin. An arcane mage on top. We seemed to handle it pretty well, occasionally i had to shadowfury spiderlings etc but it was all good. Affliction doesn't have the required burst for spinners i dont feel and if you cant taunt them down u need to zerg them pretty fast.

Affliction is amazing for p2, if u can afford to lose the burst. Perhaps with a warrior/dk dps on the ground floor taunting them down you could, but nether protection is great whilst you are learning the fight. Spiderlings as demo is an option but hunters generally handle them better imo, or a frost dk.

Dest