New MW Advice - Logs Included

[-aiko-]

I actually use Shadowed Unit Frames and I find it lacking in the department of buffs/debuffs. You can add custom ones to track but I hate doing that for some bosses because it's really annoying to have to set it up. But I really like the looks of SUF, it's pretty simple and clean.

I actually use SuF as well. The cool thing about Grid is it's separate Unitframes. Basically a beefed up version of WoW's default raid frames. You can drag it wherever you want and set it up to track a lot of things with colored borders and otherwise. If Renewing Mist Tracker is working out for you though you can definitely stick to that. Grid tends to be confusing when you first use it as it's not "classic" unitframes (for example I have it "fill up" the health bars on players when they take damage, instead of the reverse).

ReM use definitely habitual. Keeping an eye on ReM's CD and casting it on someone who's taking damage/will be taking damage will eventually become something you do without thinking. I actually found it harder to remember to use EH on CD.

Oh, about using Chi. A lot of healers I know use it on Uplifts even when it's overhealing, but when damage is low don't be afraid to use Enveloping Mists on a tank. It's a pretty powerful HoT and costs 3 Chi. I don't use it in my "normal" healing rotation but it's a great way to spend Chi on low healing phases. I heal with a H-Pally and Disc Priest though so it doesn't really get many ticks off... Either way good way to spend a lot of Chi if you're just wasting it away anyway!

[Shinchib]

they're pretty much the same

Yup, was more of a joke than anything. Obv its personal preference.

Vuhdo requires setup but is more easily customizable, grid come setup and need clique IIRC.

[jpirog]

I actually use SuF as well. The cool thing about Grid is it's separate Unitframes. Basically a beefed up version of WoW's default raid frames. You can drag it wherever you want and set it up to track a lot of things with colored borders and otherwise. If Renewing Mist Tracker is working out for you though you can definitely stick to that. Grid tends to be confusing when you first use it as it's not "classic" unitframes (for example I have it "fill up" the health bars on players when they take damage, instead of the reverse).

ReM use definitely habitual. Keeping an eye on ReM's CD and casting it on someone who's taking damage/will be taking damage will eventually become something you do without thinking. I actually found it harder to remember to use EH on CD.

Oh, about using Chi. A lot of healers I know use it on Uplifts even when it's overhealing, but when damage is low don't be afraid to use Enveloping Mists on a tank. It's a pretty powerful HoT and costs 3 Chi. I don't use it in my "normal" healing rotation but it's a great way to spend Chi on low healing phases. I heal with a H-Pally and Disc Priest though so it doesn't really get many ticks off... Either way good way to spend a lot of Chi if you're just wasting it away anyway!

Could you post a screenshot of your setup? I would greatly appreciate it.

Also, people who use other raid frames can you post as well. I'd like to see how everything is setup.

[Luqt]

All of the unit frame addons mentioned are more than capable of displaying all the information we need, personally I use Elv's since it's quite user friendly whilst maintaining a decent amount of options for information you want to have displayed on your frames, namely my specific class' HoTs and important debuffs for the encounter. I can't get my head round Vuhdo though hehe

Aside from not being accustomed to certain routines you need to practice as MW to stay competitive i.e using ReM on CD, your logs were mostly fine in terms of the way you use your abilities, IMO you should focus on how you should go about each encounter on ToT. As an example, your Jin'rokh log was not bad in general, but your TfT timings for Lightning Storm weren't in sync; it lasts around 15 sec meaning you should roughly TfT as the Storm starts, and as Reglitch described you pool chi (without wasting any ofc) until all the raid is covered, which will lead to some interesting uplift healing. You should have this thought process for every encounter - when will there be high raid damage taken and what is the nature of the damage; is it instant in which case you need to cast TfT preemptively or does it have an extended duration such as Rampage or Lightning Storm.

This is just a remark, but it's interesting to see that you don't fistweave at all on most encounters - it isn't a bad habit though for an encounter such as Horridon you could at least fistweave during the last phase. As for low Revival usage, I wouldn't look too much at that since it could be that you have it assigned for a particular timer, especially since these types of CDs have a larger impact in 10 man groups. Finally, don't bother too much with healing spheres; they do have their use but the amount of healing you're doing with them suggests that you're relying too much on it when soothing mist should mostly cover the type of healing you're trying to perform, not to mention that you're gimping your chi generation which in some cases might mean you're not having chi for uplifts when the raid needs them.

[-aiko-]

Could you post a screenshot of your setup? I would greatly appreciate it.

PMed it to you (temp image, will be deleted in 24h so no point posting it here)

[icausewipes]

The blizz unit raid frames tracks ReM and can show each class by color too.

[jpirog]

All of the unit frame addons mentioned are more than capable of displaying all the information we need, personally I use Elv's since it's quite user friendly whilst maintaining a decent amount of options for information you want to have displayed on your frames, namely my specific class' HoTs and important debuffs for the encounter. I can't get my head round Vuhdo though hehe

Aside from not being accustomed to certain routines you need to practice as MW to stay competitive i.e using ReM on CD, your logs were mostly fine in terms of the way you use your abilities, IMO you should focus on how you should go about each encounter on ToT. As an example, your Jin'rokh log was not bad in general, but your TfT timings for Lightning Storm weren't in sync; it lasts around 15 sec meaning you should roughly TfT as the Storm starts, and as Reglitch described you pool chi (without wasting any ofc) until all the raid is covered, which will lead to some interesting uplift healing. You should have this thought process for every encounter - when will there be high raid damage taken and what is the nature of the damage; is it instant in which case you need to cast TfT preemptively or does it have an extended duration such as Rampage or Lightning Storm.

This is just a remark, but it's interesting to see that you don't fistweave at all on most encounters - it isn't a bad habit though for an encounter such as Horridon you could at least fistweave during the last phase. As for low Revival usage, I wouldn't look too much at that since it could be that you have it assigned for a particular timer, especially since these types of CDs have a larger impact in 10 man groups. Finally, don't bother too much with healing spheres; they do have their use but the amount of healing you're doing with them suggests that you're relying too much on it when soothing mist should mostly cover the type of healing you're trying to perform, not to mention that you're gimping your chi generation which in some cases might mean you're not having chi for uplifts when the raid needs them.

Thank you for the advice, I definitely got a little trigger happy with those orbs for sure. I was just testing out what was working and what wasn't.

I'll definitely need to learn the fights from a healer standpoint now and prepping for big raid damage and such. It's definitely a completely different angle then DPSing was, all I needed to do was pop a single CD to nullify some damage and kept DPSing. Healing, I need to think when I should TfT and make sure I have enough targets with ReM on and then uplift at the right times. Much different thinking than what I was used to.

I'm definitely going to try to stick with just mistweaving until I get used to it, but do you recommend fistweaving a lot? For example, the Horridon fight at the end, is it more healing output fistweaving the mistweaving? I know he has the huge debuff, so I'm curious about that.

As for revival, some times I was saving it for the correct healing rotation CD, but other times there just wasn't enough damage going out I stupidly just left it out.

Also, you mind posting a screenshot of your setup? I'd love to see.



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PMed it to you (temp image, will be deleted in 24h so no point posting it here)

Thank you, I like the simplicity of that, it's very clean cut. And those little squares, are they the ReM hots?

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I just found out about this:

http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/shad...t1:description

This should accomplish what I'm looking for.

[-aiko-]

I'm definitely going to try to stick with just mistweaving until I get used to it, but do you recommend fistweaving a lot? For example, the Horridon fight at the end, is it more healing output fistweaving the mistweaving? I know he has the huge debuff, so I'm curious about that.

I don't mean to speak for anyone else but I thought I'd chime in here. I only fistweave if all of the following are true: 1. There is a damage increase mechanic. 2. We could use the extra DPS. 3. There is no heavy AoE. In almost every situation I do more HPS mistweaving. The draw of fistweaving imo is that you can deal decent damage, the heals are "smart", and the mana costs are low. It only really outperforms mistweaving for me if I use it on phases with random raid damage that is hard to predict and, of course, if I get a big damage boost. A good example of this is that I almost always fistweave in the pools on H-Jin'rokh.

Thank you, I like the simplicity of that, it's very clean cut. And those little squares, are they the ReM hots?

Sure thing! Everyone has their own "perfect" setup so play around until you find something you like.
The tiny blue squares as well as the blue highlighted borders around the units tell me they have a ReM on them. So I easily know who I can place a new ReM on or of I should use TfT Uplift.

[jpirog]

I don't mean to speak for anyone else but I thought I'd chime in here. I only fistweave if all of the following are true: 1. There is a damage increase mechanic. 2. We could use the extra DPS. 3. There is no heavy AoE. In almost every situation I do more HPS mistweaving. The draw of fistweaving imo is that you can deal decent damage, the heals are "smart", and the mana costs are low. It only really outperforms mistweaving for me if I use it on phases with random raid damage that is hard to predict and, of course, if I get a big damage boost. A good example of this is that I almost always fistweave in the pools on H-Jin'rokh.
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That's kind of what my understanding of it was as well. I need to look more into the fistweaving guide, I've played around with it but I haven't "seriously" done it yet. And I usually OOM really quickly when doing it.

Sure thing! Everyone has their own "perfect" setup so play around until you find something you like.
The tiny blue squares as well as the blue highlighted borders around the units tell me they have a ReM on them. So I easily know who I can place a new ReM on or of I should use TfT Uplift

Oohh, ok, that's nice. I definitely have to mess around with my UI a bit tonight, I notice that when I'm healing (and I noticed this in DS cata as well, but I didn't seriously heal back then either) but most healers raid frames are in the center/center bottom of their screen vs the left side where it defaults.

I just have so much junk in the middle of my screen I need to just clean it all out but I'm so used to it unfortunately.

[Thedave]

I don't mean to speak for anyone else but I thought I'd chime in here. I only fistweave if all of the following are true: 1. There is a damage increase mechanic. 2. We could use the extra DPS. 3. There is no heavy AoE. In almost every situation I do more HPS mistweaving. The draw of fistweaving imo is that you can deal decent damage, the heals are "smart", and the mana costs are low. It only really outperforms mistweaving for me if I use it on phases with random raid damage that is hard to predict and, of course, if I get a big damage boost. A good example of this is that I almost always fistweave in the pools on H-Jin'rokh.

Jin pools are only 30% from what I recall, so you should still use Uplift if you have static hits on the raid.

But yeah, I agree with the man from Utah: think of yourself not just as a "healer," but as a "raid helper." Our dps really is significant on Heroics this tier, so you can help get a fight down faster if you realize when you can fistweave to help out your subpar dps. Granted, this means that you have a lower likelihood of ranking, but ranking shouldn't be the object of a mistweaver (or disc priest).

One thing to keep an eye on: if you're fistweaving, you're casting fewer healing spells. If you're casting fewer healing spells, you're significantly decreasing the number of procs you'll get from the legendary meta. If you're significantly decreasing the number of legendary meta procs, you're regenning far less mana. If you're running 6k spirit and regenning far less mana... you might find yourself in a pinch. So, just be aware.

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You should be casting Chi Wave while pure fw, it's not a huge loss