Upgrading old build

[Drtom]

Hi, I'm looking at upgrading some parts of my old build and could use some help! (I have a very basic knowledge on all of this)

All I really need my PC for is playing wow/CS:GO, watching youtube and occasional office stuff. I live in the UK and budget is £400-£500

Current specs are

CPU-AMD Athlon II X4 635
Motherboard-Gigabyte Technology GA-MA770-UD3
Graphics card-Radeon HD 5770
DDR2 4GB RAM
Power supply-Pentium P4 model:PC7-50AUBA-M
Dual monitors-Samsung S22D390 and S22B150

Was looking at some bundles and was thinking of either going for (sorry can't post links yet just remove the spaces, if someone could do it for me that would be great)

www . overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-001-OG[/url (is it worth upgrading from the I5 to the I7?)
or
www . overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-116-OE&tool=3[/url]

Also looking at getting this SSD www . scan.co.uk/products/250gb-crucial-bx100-25-sata-iii-(6gbps)-internal-ssd-7mm-slim-read-535mb-s-write-370mb-s-87k-iops-70

Just wondering if these are okay choices and if it will all work together?

Thanks in advance!

[Pterodactylus]

OP's AMD bundle £395.99 inc VAT
OP's Intel bundle £360.00 inc VAT
OP's SSD

I'd argue that 95% of the time, bundles aren't worth it. Sometimes there are some good bundles, but more often than not you get saddled with some shitty part for not very much savings. Anyway, I have a few ideas for you to mull around, but I bring you over your budget some - place to start if nothing else.

Here is the Intel bundle from the website you listed. I had to find the CPU cooler and pulled the price off Amazon:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£173.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Prolimatech Basic 68 Ball Bearing CPU Cooler (£28.00)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£76.76 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£48.90 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £327.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

So you still need some componets, finsihing the build gives us:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£173.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Prolimatech Basic 68 Ball Bearing CPU Cooler (£28.00)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£76.76 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£48.90 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£72.37 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card (£158.39 @ Aria PC)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£33.95 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£49.98 @ Novatech)
Total: £642.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

I wouldn't get anything lower than a 960 with a GPU, and I would't get any cheaper on a PSU.

Alternatively, you can skip the bundle all together, and get do something like this which brings you closer to your budget:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£173.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! PURE ROCK 51.4 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£22.74 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£56.36 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£34.58 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£72.37 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card (£158.39 @ Aria PC)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£33.95 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£49.98 @ Novatech)
Total: £602.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Either way, you'll get a pretty decent Rig that will do what you want it to and do it well. I did not use the SSD you listed because I think the Samsung is worth the extra £6.

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You could likely get closer to £500 with an AMD build, but I am an intel kind of person.

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And I must have been distracted when I read your original post and got side tracked by posting some links. I see you want to reuse some parts. You can reuse the GPU and the PSU, but my as well go for the gusto, eh?

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You really look at a new build not upgrading in the old fashion. Also ssd is out of question with that budget.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (£154.92 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£62.22 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Kingston Savage 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£35.77 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£39.00 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card (£147.43 @ Aria PC)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£28.17 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£36.53 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £504.04
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-06 10:51 BST+0100

[Pterodactylus]

Kostattoo is right, no SSD with if you wanted to stay in your limited budget. His build is right on your budget, but the bundles you linked above were over-clockable, so I stuck with that in my build. If you aren't going to over clock than it is much easier to get to the 500 range.

[Drtom]

Looking back at my OP I probably should have put more info in then I did.
Think I am going to go for Kostattoo's sugesstion's but with one or two changes like the case I don't really need which means i can out that money to get the SSD instead which I will use along side my current HD

If I'm honest i don't really know why I was looking at overclocked bundles, I have no idea about overclocking! It was just a website someone else showed me.

Here's the list with what I'm probably going to go for. It's only a tiny but over my budget (£9.99 over) but it was never a strict budget anyway.

h t t p : / / uk . pcpartpicker . com/parts/partlist/ (Sorry about all the spacing I should probably post more)

Thanks again for the help!

Edit:

Hopefully this should be the right link- h t t p : / / uk . pcpartpicker . com/p/bDryNG (once again need to remove the spaces)

[Pterodactylus]

You posted the wrong Link from the partpicker site, so we don't know what you have. Just an FYI.

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Your link/build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (£154.92 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£62.22 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Kingston Savage 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£35.68 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£73.37 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card (£147.43 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£36.53 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £510.15
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-07 00:06 BST+0100


Seems good if you already got a case. Tho i would rather get the BX100 250gb ssd and push the cpu to an i5 4690 if you can spare the few pounds.

[Pterodactylus]

Kostattoo, out of curiosity, why the BX100 over the 850 EVO? From what I can tell, the EVO is faster with read/write, carries 2 more years of warranty and has better architecture for just 6 or 7 more pounds? Or is that just so he can get the 4690 and stay in budget?

[Lathais]

Kostattoo, out of curiosity, why the BX100 over the 850 EVO? From what I can tell, the EVO is faster with read/write, carries 2 more years of warranty and has better architecture for just 6 or 7 more pounds? Or is that just so he can get the 4690 and stay in budget?

It is faster, but for gaming, you will never notice the difference. It's more of a benchmark only kind of thing. In terms of performance for gaming and other regular home use, the difference is nil, so the cheaper one is the better one.

[Pterodactylus]

It is faster, but for gaming, you will never notice the difference. It's more of a benchmark only kind of thing. In terms of performance for gaming and other regular home use, the difference is nil, so the cheaper one is the better one.

But it's not faster in benchmarks? And even if the "difference were nil" I would think 2 extra years of warranty is worth the few extra pounds in itself. Can you show me the benchmarks that show the BX100 beating the 850 Evo? You very well could be right, but I have not seen any benchmarks that show the BX100 faster than the 850 evo - only the opposite.

[Lathais]

But it's not faster in benchmarks? And even if the "difference were nil" I would think 2 extra years of warranty is worth the few extra pounds in itself. Can you show me the benchmarks that show the BX100 beating the 850 Evo? You very well could be right, but I have not seen any benchmarks that show the BX100 faster than the 850 evo - only the opposite.

That's what I am saying, the EVo is faster in benchmarks, but that does not translate to any real performance gains in gaming. The difference ONLY shows in benchmarks, not in actual everyday use. If you had the EVO and someone swapped it out for a BX100 without you knowing, you would not notice any bit of difference even though it is there in the benchmarks. If you were a large company writing millions per minute to the SSD you would notice the difference over time though. For standard everyday use though, you won't even know there is a difference.

As for the warranty, both will last far longer then the 2 years anyway so who cares. Actually, I vaugely remember a post a few months back where someone tested a whole bunch of SSDs and the Crucial was still ticking away like twice as long as any of the others. They all failed far sooner then the Crucial.

[Pterodactylus]

That's what I am saying, the EVo is faster in benchmarks, but that does not translate to any real performance gains in gaming. The difference ONLY shows in benchmarks, not in actual everyday use. If you had the EVO and someone swapped it out for a BX100 without you knowing, you would not notice any bit of difference even though it is there in the benchmarks. If you were a large company writing millions per minute to the SSD you would notice the difference over time though. For standard everyday use though, you won't even know there is a difference.

As for the warranty, both will last far longer then the 2 years anyway so who cares. Actually, I vaugely remember a post a few months back where someone tested a whole bunch of SSDs and the Crucial was still ticking away like twice as long as any of the others. They all failed far sooner then the Crucial.

Oh...sorry. Your use of the pronoun "it" was ambiguous as it could imply either SSD and since my question was why chose BX100 over EVO you replied "it is faster" sorry for the confusion.

As for the warranty the BX is 3 years - the EVO is 5 years - so not 2 years but 2 extra years. That alone is worth the 6 pounds in my opinion. ~ 15% faster and more warranty, the EVO is the easy choice in my opinion.

[Lathais]

Oh...sorry. Your use of the pronoun "it" was ambiguous as it could imply either SSD and since my question was why chose BX100 over EVO you replied "it is faster" sorry for the confusion.

As for the warranty the BX is 3 years - the EVO is 5 years - so not 2 years but 2 extra years. That alone is worth the 6 pounds in my opinion. ~ 15% faster and more warranty, the EVO is the easy choice in my opinion.

Yeah, if the price difference is that little and the warranty means that much to you, go for it. Both are great choices. They are the only 2 SSDs I recommend, though I generally just go with whichever one is cheaper at the time. However, seriously think about it, it's 15% faster. So with my Crucual BX100 Windows load up in about 3 seconds, if that were 15% faster would I notice? Nope. When I open Firefox, is it ready to rock before I can move my mouse to bookmarks? Yup. If it was 15% faster, would that make me able to move my mouse faster? Nope. Will both drives last me 10+ years? Yup. Ok, cheaper one it is.

[Pterodactylus]

Yeah, if the price difference is that little and the warranty means that much to you, go for it. Both are great choices. They are the only 2 SSDs I recommend, though I generally just go with whichever one is cheaper at the time. However, seriously think about it, it's 15% faster. So with my Crucual BX100 Windows load up in about 3 seconds, if that were 15% faster would I notice? Nope. When I open Firefox, is it ready to rock before I can move my mouse to bookmarks? Yup. If it was 15% faster, would that make me able to move my mouse faster? Nope. Will both drives last me 10+ years? Yup. Ok, cheaper one it is.

Fair enough Lathais, but if the BX100 dies at 3 years and a day - well, you are screwed. But it's not that, warranty speaks to the quality. Anyway, you are right - both are good drives, but I would take the EVO every single time over the BX100. You've got 6 pounds in your pocket - and I have peace mind. Both have value I suppose.

Cheers.

[Lathais]

Fair enough Lathais, but if the BX100 dies at 3 years and a day - well, you are screwed. But it's not that, warranty speaks to the quality. Anyway, you are right - both are good drives, but I would take the EVO every single time over the BX100. You've got 6 pounds in your pocket - and I have peace mind. Both have value I suppose.

Cheers.

True, but either drive, if they make it past the first 6 months is gonna last 10+ years. It's not like there are any mechanical moving parts or anything. There is nothing to fail. I was mistaken on which one lasted longer in the test, though, the 850 EVO was not out for the test, the 840 was though. While the Samsung did actually last the longest, it also gave no warning before it failed and was actually reporting in good health. The Corsair, Intel, and Kingston all issued SMART warnings before their failure, giving you time to backup your data.

Sorry if it seems like I am being argumentative, I just realized I probably am. I stand by your choice and it is one I have recommended in the past and will continue to do so as well. I just like little debates over the pros and cons of stuff like this.

[Pterodactylus]

Sorry if it seems like I am being argumentative, I just realized I probably am. I stand by your choice and it is one I have recommended in the past and will continue to do so as well. I just like little debates over the pros and cons of stuff like this.

No, not a problem at all. I like to be sure I am informed about what I am recommending - so I welcome these sorts of discussions.