How a baseless conspiracy theory grew around Seth Rich’s murder

[LaserSharkDFB]

Hey, how about "those living in glass houses" for last one?

Four more journalists get felony charges after covering inauguration unrest

Four more journalists have been charged with felonies after being arrested while covering the unrest around Donald Trump’s inauguration, meaning that at least six media workers are facing up to 10 years in prison and a $25,000 fine if convicted.

Are you sure you want to go there, Shalcker? Are you... really sure? Because reporters getting arrested under Trump's watch does not exactly widen the gap between him and Putin's dictatorial tactics.

I mean, that's pretty fucking dumb of you, to tell the truth.

[Shalcker]

Are you sure you want to go there, Shalcker? Are you... really sure? Because reporters getting arrested under Trump's watch does not exactly widen the gap between him and Putin's dictatorial tactics.

I mean, that's pretty fucking dumb of you, to tell the truth.

Trump wasn't even in power, "covering inaguration event" is in the freaking headline...

You've been living in police state for years at this point.


...and, just so that you know, Kremlin propaganda isn't necessarily "There is gap between us and West, and West is worse!!!" (though they run with it when they can), most of the time it's "Look at West, they have exactly the same excesses as we do!"

[LaserSharkDFB]

Trump wasn't even in power, "covering inaguration event" is in the freaking headline...

You've been living in police state for years at this point.

Fair enough, fair enough.

Now let's talk about the rest of those links.

No, wait, you're just going to spin it like the minion you are, and I don't care what you have to say. Don't even bother.

[Shalcker]

Fair enough, fair enough.

Now let's talk about the rest of those links.

No, wait, you're just going to spin it like the minion you are, and I don't care what you have to say. Don't even bother.

You're saying it like those links aren't spin themselves... "No, sir, that's honest truth and nothing else!", right?

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So, one video in which the parents politely thank the internet for the public concern shown over the murder of their son, outweighs multiple statements about how the politically-charged and conspiratorial attention is hurtful to them and how they would like it to stop? E.G. Thanks but no thanks Reddit

They thank people for investigating their sons murder.

-> DNC Crisis Consultant steps in and speaks for them. Strangely what he claims the family says sounds pretty convenient for the DNC.

-> Liberal shyster Morons chime in and use this in addition to emotional language to attack anyone who thinks something's foul here.

Brave new world is no longer fiction it seems.

[Cthulhu 2020]

You've been living in police state for years at this point.

lol

Yes everyone who questions our leadership is automatically hauled away to the gulag.

Oh wait...

[Shalcker]

lol
Yes everyone who questions our leadership is automatically hauled away to the gulag.
Oh wait...

You're saying it like it's true in Russia; and, surprise, it isn't true there either.

There is no "automatically" here; but occasionally people do get detained both in US and Russia. Including journalists. Probably higher absolute number of incidents in US given higher population and current "protest climate".

[Cthulhu 2020]

They thank people for investigating their sons murder.

-> DNC Crisis Consultant steps in and speaks for them. Strangely what he claims the family says sounds pretty convenient for the DNC.

-> Liberal shyster Morons chime in and use this in addition to emotional language to attack anyone who thinks something's foul here.

Brave new world is no longer fiction it seems.

The video of thanks is from the GoFundMe and they're thanking people for donating money. If this were any other occassion the conservatives would be crying that the parents are lazy poor people capitalizing on their son's death. It's exactly what they spouting about the Treyvon Martin and Brown GoFundMe's. But of course The_Donald is trying to spin the video as them thanking people for investigating the murder, and you willingly believe it.

[Azadina]

lol

Yes everyone who questions our leadership is automatically hauled away to the gulag.

Oh wait...

Be careful with what you wish for Trump is the "president" currently afterall.

[Deleted]

The video of thanks is from the GoFundMe and they're thanking people for donating money. If this were any other occassion the conservatives would be crying that the parents are lazy poor people capitalizing on their son's death. It's exactly what they spouting about the Treyvon Martin and Brown GoFundMe's. But of course The_Donald is trying to spin the video as them thanking people for investigating the murder, and you willingly believe it.

Sigh. They are literally thanking the people who are investigating the murder of their son in the video.

[Glorious Leader]

They thank people for investigating their sons murder.

-> DNC Crisis Consultant steps in and speaks for them. Strangely what he claims the family says sounds pretty convenient for the DNC.

-> Liberal shyster Morons chime in and use this in addition to emotional language to attack anyone who thinks something's foul here.

Brave new world is no longer fiction it seems.

They hired or were given a "DNC crisis consultant"? Or they hired a spokesperson to represent them? Because one is reality and the other is some crazy ass right wing talking point

[Reyzzz]

I'm amazed FOX is still called "news".

[Haven]

lol

Yes everyone who questions our leadership is automatically hauled away to the gulag.

Oh wait...

Why would someone ba hauled away into the administration of labor lamps that existed in USSR? Oh wait, I forgot that muricans tend to get education from cartoons...

[Orbitus]

Sigh. They are literally thanking the people who are investigating the murder of their son in the video.

No, actually they weren't. They were thanking the people on GoFundMe for helping out with their expenses.

[Haven]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fdfd80e0f110
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lled_in_Russia
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-journ.../28439320.html
http://www.newsweek.com/russia-world...-maidan-430639
https://www.ifex.org/russia/2017/03/...ined-protests/

Why you Russians keep pretending that your country has anything remotely resembling free speech is beyond me.

Well, none of the sources you gave belong to my country's mainstream media so I'm gonna dismiss it as propaganda and conspiracy theories.

That's how it feels to be Russian on Western forums.

But the point goes waaaaaay over your head yet again. We, Russians, are not stupid. We know that media is an instrument of government. You, westerners, however, believe for some reaspn that you're an exclusion for this universal rule and that you live in a magical land with no corruption, no nepotism and no cut&kickback, where everyone is free and honest.

[LaserSharkDFB]

Well, none of the sources you gave belong to my country's mainstream media so I'm gonna dismiss it as propaganda and conspiracy theories.

That's how it feels to be Russian on Western forums.

But the point goes waaaaaay over your head yet again. We, Russians, are not stupid. We know that media is an instrument of government. You, westerners, however, believe for some reaspn that you're an exclusion for this universal rule and that you live in a magical land with no corruption, no nepotism and no cut&kickback, where everyone is free and honest.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.

Oh, man. And you just said you weren't stupid, too.

[Elegiac]

Well, none of the sources you gave belong to my country's mainstream media so I'm gonna dismiss it as propaganda and conspiracy theories.

Why would we trust a media that is under a firm neo-tsarist mandate to report positively on things in Russia to the liking of the government rather than, you know, what is actually going on.

[Haven]

Why would we trust a media that is under a firm neo-tsarist mandate to report positively on things in Russia to the liking of the government rather than, you know, what is actually going on.

Because you believe a media that is under a firm oligarch mandate to report negatively on things in Russia to the liking of Western government rather than, you know, what is actually going on.

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.

Oh, man. And you just said you weren't stupid, too.

Weren't you the one to keep saying that only your media is truly free and unbiased, not inder anyone's control? Or did I misunderstand the last ten pages of your preaching?

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http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

That's to put it simple. And it's BBC. Ultimate truth source.

[Orbitus]

Because you believe a media that is under a firm oligarch mandate to report negatively on things in Russia to the liking of Western government rather than, you know, what is actually going on.

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Weren't you the one to keep saying that only your media is truly free and unbiased, not inder anyone's control? Or did I misunderstand the last ten pages of your preaching?

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http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

That's to put it simple. And it's BBC. Ultimate truth source.

You tried to use a BLOG as a source? Even BBC will tell you that is retarded.

[LaserSharkDFB]

Because you believe a media that is under a firm oligarch mandate to report negatively on things in Russia to the liking of Western government rather than, you know, what is actually going on.

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Weren't you the one to keep saying that only your media is truly free and unbiased, not inder anyone's control? Or did I misunderstand the last ten pages of your preaching?

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http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

That's to put it simple. And it's BBC. Ultimate truth source.

Feel free to quote me saying anything even approaching something like that. I'm sure you read into it whatever you wanted, though, because you aren't interested in actual communication here.

No, no. Our media's got bias. That's normal these days. I would love a truly unbiased media, but it ain't happening. Where you get things wrong, though, is thinking that there's some massive conspiracy forcing all forms of media to toe the line. Fox is the closest example of this being true, but I get the feeling they're improving lately, what with their base dying off and Ailes and Hannity gone. Could be wrong, though. Regardless, they came up with the most stupid shit against Obama during his presidency ("terrorist fist jab" springs to mind), and at no point did he start arresting them, much less start killing them like your leaders have historically done.

Yes, the media has its hacks and shills, no matter what team they're batting for. Yes, they jump the gun or take things too far sometimes. They are, in fact, human, and the terrible 24 hour news cycle we have now means there's less time for consideration before chasing a story. That's not the same as saying they're completely untrustworthy, though. You just have to keep your eyes open and not be a gullible tool.

We're not perfect over here, as far as free speech and the media goes. We're just much, much better than Russia. We don't like Putin not because we're told to, but because he does some awful fucking things.