Deathbringer's Will for Retri pally over Dk.

[Roflcrab]

Firstly, i apologize if this topic goes to wrong place. Secondly, this is more or less a QQ post.

Right, like it reads on topic, i lost Deathbringer's awesome Will trinket to ret pally (for second time, for same ret pally. First time he had to give it to hunter instead so he gave a shot for trinket again) and i myself r UH Dk. Note, we use loot council here. More infos both players r quite active etc etc, i would have replaced DBW for Whispering Fanged Skull and pally replaced for Darkmoonfaire cardy strenghty thingy. And both have got about same amount of loot so far. So is it wrong from my side to be a little bit pissed about this? Since this trinket is pretty much godlike to Dks, more or less, and quite crappy for retri paladins am i rite? Am i being too elitist pricky about this, or paladin being a little selfish or loot council being unfair?

Thats pretty much for infos there is needed. Main answer what i would like to get from dear fellas who bother to read this QQ post, is it wrong from me to be a emo about this?

Also apologize for messy textwall but i hope u get the point from it.

[Herecius]

It's not a matter of loot council being unfair, or the pally being unfair. It's a matter of both being stupid. <.>

[Lolretadin]

I'm not going to lie, I am a Ret Pally and I have it. I WILL get flamed for it but its NOT a terrible trinket. Of course it is NOT good either. It is just barely a dps increase over greatness. The only reason I took it was becasue I was in a pug and the other people who needed it were only pulling 4k - 5k dps. I'm sorry if I seem like an asshole for taking the trinket over them who could have needed it more but, tough. Its a pug so go QQ more. Back on topic, you have every right to be angry if you, a DK, lost it over a Paladin wanting to replace Greatness with it. Its only, last time I checked, a 12 dps increase from Greatness. I would talk it over with your officers because its one thing for a Ret to take it in a pug, its another thing for a loot council to give it over to a Ret when DK benefit ALOT more from it.

[Dragonfiregum1]

Your guild obviously hates you, and thats why they looted it to the paladin. You should leave.

[lolwuttt]

Since when was Armor Penetration a stellar stat for Rets anyway?

Just as the poster above me says, if it was a PUG qq more, but then I think you have more ....issues with retarded guildies or Loot Council favoritism. Or does this pally have the gearscore totempole shoved up his arse 100ft deep?


As far as I know DBW is extremely good for Warriors, DKs, Rogues, Hunters (and possibly Feral druids).

[geonexus]

If your loot council decided to give it to the paladin then you have no right to complain. You were the one who joined that guild and by becoming a raider for that guild you pretty much signed an agreement that says you agree to whatever choices the loot council makes. Perhaps they thought that you had gotten enough loot recently and decided to be fair to the paladin by giving it to him or that you have made a few more mistakes than he did recently. All in all weather they made a good decision or bad one you have to live by their decision unless you gquit or get them to appeal it(i give that about a .1% chance). So its no use complaining to a bunch of wierdos on a wow forum this early in the morning.

[Telmenari]

It's BiS for Feral druids.

Since when was Armor Penetration a stellar stat for Rets anyway?

Just as the poster above me says, if it was a PUG qq more, but then I think you have more ....issues with retarded guildies or Loot Council favoritism. Or does this pally have the gearscore totempole shoved up his arse 100ft deep?


As far as I know DBW is extremely good for Warriors, DKs, Rogues, Hunters (and possibly Feral druids).

[lolwuttt]

If your loot council decided to give it to the paladin then you have no right to complain. You were the one who joined that guild and by becoming a raider for that guild you pretty much signed an agreement that says you agree to whatever choices the loot council makes. Perhaps they thought that you had gotten enough loot recently and decided to be fair to the paladin by giving it to him or that you have made a few more mistakes than he did recently. All in all weather they made a good decision or bad one you have to live by their decision unless you gquit or get them to appeal it(i give that about a .1% chance). So its no use complaining to a bunch of wierdos on a wow forum this early in the morning.

You make some very good points. However, if what you said was the case, then we just have to go back to what purpose the loot council really serves. (To distribute loot fairly and in a way that benefits the raid most) - point one is subjective as hell, and I think if what OP says is correct, then they've failed because point two has not been achieved.

[Slavemaker]

Research both classes and see what it is better on... The proc is the most important in my opinion so I don't know...

Either way you should figure out on your own with some research to figure it out.

[Tikaru]

I'm getting the feeling that there's more to the story than we've been told.

The only reason I can see a guild giving DBW to a Pally over a DK is because the DK is new and could be considered a flight risk.

Sure, DBW isn't great for Ret, but an upgrade is an upgrade.

[Dhurn]

Yea I'd be pissed. First of all the paladin already had a shot and gave to someone else, so he clearly realizes it's better for other classes than himself. Second that trinket should go to paladins LAST. And when I say last I mean it, I'd give it to a tank warrior or Druid for an offspec before I'd give it to a paladin because arpen is so amazing for fury/arms/feral, and ret paladins can spend like 3-4k gold and get a trinket nearly as good (frankly if you're killing DBS 25 you should probably have better anyway, WFS/DC/etc).

Your ret paladin is a dick and should have waited for Tiny Abomination in a Jar. Your loot council also doesn't really understand what stats certain classes/specs go for or have some serious favoritism issues. The point of loot council is to prevent stuff like this from happening and maximize the effectiveness of the raid by giving loot to people who benefit the most (and help the raid the most because they show up, don't die, etc).

[Shinato]

Since when was Armor Penetration a stellar stat for Rets anyway?

once you reach a certain point of ArP as a Ret Pally it does seem to be an "alright" stat.

As far as I know DBW is extremely good for Warriors, DKs, Rogues, Hunters (and possibly Feral druids).

Feral Druids benefit a TON from this trinket

and btw to OP, the proc is where it is at. I have it as a DK, and I love it! but I can see where it would greatly benefit a Pally still. 600 strength, haste, or crit is still a huge boost to ANY melee class, its unarguable, and you as an Unholy DK makes it still not the greatest trinket for you, a good chunk of your damage is Elemental, unaffected by the passive ArP on the trinket anyways.

[Lark]

There's no reason to be emo. However that is dumb enough to be grounds for a gquit.

The trinket is an upgrade over greatness which lots of people have had forever and just yearn to replace. But still, under loot council, decisions that look to be about as poor as just doing /rand in a pug are reasons why you leave the guild. It isn't just about loot, its about fairness and intelligence of the leadership corps.

[jenseits]

I used this to rep my DMC, and i have to say it does help. Course all the gear is homoginized for Arp anyway so i'm sitting on 400 Arp now. But CS, DS, and our melee swings do use it, so it has a place

That proc is amazing for anyone, and TAiaJ is a MUCH harder trinket to get and you'll probably see 20 DBW before you see one of those.

[alpy1885]

Well there are 3 answers : -1 Ur guild only cleard first 4 boss in ICC and not even the GM or loot council know WTF to do but i dont rly see many shit guild with loot council
-2 The trinket proc help the ret alot cuz it procs right when wing are off cd or something like that but i dont think so and im to lazy to read some theorycrafting about it
-3 u are new to ur guild and they wont give u the trinket over there old member or cuz they dont want you to take the BIS gear and leav / the guild hates you and again they wont gear you up just for you to leav or they just think you are shit and a ret would do more dps with that upgrade than you will
Or they were just drunk that night n/w just ask them if you want to know :P

[WaitingforSWTOR]

Its not a pally trinket, but its not an UH Dk trinket either. I won it on my pally a while ago on a pug, allowed me to experience Tauren and Dwarf pally ( beside the fun, i decided not to race change it to Tauren)

[Sellest]

Give me your guild webpage.. to make sure to stay far away

[Bllets]

Its not a pally trinket, but its not an UH Dk trinket either. I won it on my pally a while ago on a pug, allowed me to experience Tauren and Dwarf pally ( beside the fun, i decided not to race change it to Tauren)

It's not a UH DK trinket since when?

Heroic DBW is BiS <.<

[Urass]

It's not a UH DK trinket since when?

Heroic DBW is BiS <.<

Only reason that it's BiS for Unholy DK's are the proc.

The classes / Specs that should have priority on this trinket is

Warrior
Druid
Hunter
Blood DK
Rogue
Frost DK
Unholy DK

that's the order i see people getting it, since it's best for those classes, due they use to arp more than the other classes / specs do

[Bllets]

Only reason that it's BiS for Unholy DK's are the proc.

ArP is the best stat for Unholy right after STR. At high gear levels (277), it's almost equal to STR.