This right here is the problem with the WoW Playerbase

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The cultivated self-delusion of being entitled to everything the game has to offer. From a bluepost featured on MMOC this morning:

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/3...arrison-plots/

Dear Blizzard, we need more garrison plots. we should be able to build every type of building available tot eh garrison because first of all garrisons are awesome and second of all we already built a garrison why not add everything into it? Plus some of the decisions are really hard to make. I know that you want everyone garrison to be different but I would like to have everything in my garrison because that would be cool.

"Because that would be cool." There is no reasoning behind this persons post, he just behaves like a kid in a store, blabbering and nagging "BUT I WANT ANOTHER TOY! MOOOMMMMYYYY!". He/She doesn't care whether or not that would make garrisons boring, meanungless buff-spewers that you have to build to completion, just like you have to level your character to 100. Bashiok gave a very good response:

Instead of having a lot of buildings with mediocre bonuses, we reduced the number of plots you have and redesigned the building bonuses to be quite impactful to your gameplay. Overall our design philosophy is that a few meaningful decisions is better than lots of inconsequential ones.

Decision making is an important process in an open-world based videogame. Does the playerbase, exemplified by this specimen care? Not at all.

This is a video game. there shouldn't be any "consequences". we should be able to do everything inconseqeuncially. thus we should be able to build everything.

Again, no reasoning. No thought process of any kind. No logic. Just the delusion that we are entitled to everything, and we should get it RIGHT NOW!

I just shook my head continuously while reading this post. Is this what the WoW community has become? People who don't want challenges, treasure hunts, difficult decisions and so on to exist, but who think they should get everything, no questions asked, no decisions to be made? Its baffling.

[c313]

So you're basically saying the thought process of 1 kid represents the entire WoW community?

[Revi]

That last part

This is a video game. there shouldn't be any "consequences". we should be able to do everything inconseqeuncially

Is just mind-boggling. I don't think this represents the playerbase, but it's certainly sad that some people would actually prefer that kind of game philosophy.

[Viradiance]

This is what happens when you spend three expansions cow-towing to the lowest common denominator for the sake of a buck. Goodbye, integrity...

[Tydrane]

Oh, seriously, get a grip.

[Deleted]

I agree a lot of people think this way and make some portions of the game bad, but I'm sure the majority of the players are more mature than this kid.I play with a lot of people and I don't think any of them would agree with him/her.

[Deleted]

OP that guy is expressing his opinion about a feature he'd love to see and you immediately jump on another forum to start completely bashing him and calling him aweful names. My thoughts are that you're not even half as good as the first guy.

What's wrong with expressing your opinion on how the game could be more fun to you?

All you give a rat about is about the game being a second life to you where you expect challenges to occur and make choices. Fun sidenote: most people play videogames for fun.

get a life OP.

[Noxina]

And then we got the people who complain of the complainers, endless cycle I tell you!

[Toiran]

That last part

Is just mind-boggling. I don't think this represents the playerbase, but it's certainly sad that some people would actually prefer that kind of game philosophy.

I think that represents the WoW community perfectly tbh.

Me personally, I don't agree with it, and agree with Blizzard.

But, for the casual players, this is what they generally want, and casuals are the name of WoW's game now.

[Srg56]

That last part

Is just mind-boggling. I don't think this represents the playerbase, but it's certainly sad that some people would actually prefer that kind of game philosophy.

This is nothing "mind-boggling". As i've said in my previous posts on these forums, the divide in the playebase is between people who want cheap entertainment and those that like to play MMORPGs. The first group is the one to which that specimen in OP's post belongs. These people want to log in, press asdf 112, laugh at the memes and then log out. It's destroying the genre, and they are the reason why all new MMOs copy WoW.

[Rioo]

I think the poster you're bashing has a perfectly valid opinion. I mean lets face it, WoD will be the the worst expansion ever when it comes to new features. No new classes, races, redesigns of the talent tree or gameplay for most specs. The only thing we're really getting is Garrisons, so I can understand the guy's wish to get the most out of it. I don't see the point in making us choose between different things either. Make it harder to build these building but let us get them all, so we can get a really big base.

[Deleted]

Quick! Get the ropes! Bring tar and feathers! An opinion has been expressed!

[PuppetShowJustice]

He/She doesn't care whether or not that would make garrisons boring, meanungless buff-spewers that you have to build to completion

but you CAN still build them to completion. There is no real choice here. A lot of us are just going to build the stable, get the mounts, tear down the stable, build the inn, do the inn quests, tear down the inn. Repeat until finished.

This is less "meaningful choice" and more of a checklist for people to get their mounts, minipets, followers, ect.

[moremana]

OP that guy is expressing his opinion about a feature he'd love to see and you immediately jump on another forum to start completely bashing him and calling him aweful names. My thoughts are that you're not even half as good as the first guy.

What's wrong with expressing your opinion on how the game could be more fun to you?

All you give a rat about is about the game being a second life to you where you expect challenges to occur and make choices. Fun sidenote: most people play videogames for fun.

get a life OP.

I dont think he is bashing him, thats a strong word, calling out a problem is what he did and it is a problem...

wait, didnt you just do the same thing?

Yes sadly, this is what the gaming community has become, its not just wow, a ton of people bickering about the game and each other.

This is what happens when you give a kid a pc and freedom to roam the internet and say what ever he/she wants, it all leads back to parenting.

[Amerissis]

But, for the casual players, this is what they generally want, and casuals are the name of WoW's game now.

What? No. You can't say that, you have no idea what casual players are, let alone what 'they' want.

I consider myself to be casual (irregular schedule, no hardcore raiding or PvPing) and I definitely do not want something stupid as a game without any consequences and thus without decision making and thus incredibly boring. It's like playing a single player game with godmode on... Fun for an hour and then you put it away and never play it again.

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but you CAN still build them to completion. There is no real choice here. A lot of us are just going to build the stable, get the mounts, tear down the stable, build the inn, do the inn quests, tear down the inn. Repeat until finished.

Is that possible? Won't you lose the rewards of buildings that you remove?

[Deleted]

OP that guy is expressing his opinion about a feature he'd love to see and you immediately jump on another forum to start completely bashing him and calling him aweful names. My thoughts are that you're not even half as good as the first guy.

What's wrong with expressing your opinion on how the game could be more fun to you?

All you give a rat about is about the game being a second life to you where you expect challenges to occur and make choices. Fun sidenote: most people play videogames for fun.

get a life OP.

I didn't bash him at all, and calling names includes the use of rude language, which I didn't do either. Btw. you do exactly that in your second and your last sentence. Hypocrisy ahoy...

Would the game be "more fun to him" if he gets everything? I doubt that. I think he would sit in his fully built garrison and go something like this: "Okay...what next...hmm...there is nothing to do here...man this is boring! Blizz u suck!".

Expressing an opinion is perfectly okay. An opinion can be wrong however, or someone else (In this case me) can have the opinion, that the opinion of someone else is wrong. And expressing THAT opinion is also perfectly okay. Once again, hypocrisy....you accuse me of not granting this guy a voice, but would see mine removed. Oh, and an opinion that isn't backed up by actual arguments ("I want cuz I think is cool" is not an argument) is meaningless to begin with.


Oh, and fun sidenote: Most people play a game BECAUSE the games mode and rules pose some form of challenge. If people don't want that, they watch movies, or read books.

[RippedLife]

instead of not making it possible to get everything, they should make it extremly hard to get, like get a endboss kill without doing blabla to get this monument or get in duelist range in 3v3 idk something thats reasonable for everyone while still not easily achievable for the most players. would bring the "oh shit this guy has ALL THE TOWERS HOLY SHIT WHAT A GOD"

[urasim]

Are you really complaining about some kids opinion?

I think the toxic attitude of people like the OP is what's wrong with all of gaming.

[Deleted]

instead of not making it possible to get everything, they should make it extremly hard to get, like get a endboss kill without doing blabla to get this monument or get in duelist range in 3v3 idk something thats reasonable for everyone while still not easily achievable for the most players. would bring the "oh shit this guy has ALL THE TOWERS HOLY SHIT WHAT A GOD"

Again, no, that would completely nullify the purpose of the limitation: That the player has to make a decision.

"But only a few players would get there", yeah, so what? I will most likely be among them. So I get there, and then my decision is nullified, because, hey congrats, you now get every passive bonus. I DONT WANT THAT! I want to make a decision, I want to be FORCED to make a decision!

The equivalent would be for me to have all my talents active at the same time after killing hc Garrosh. Great, so what's the use of having a talent system in the first place again? "But only you and those who do Garrosh hc get this completely passive bonus"....erm, I already get a passive bonus out of that...I am wearing hc warforged gear. Why would I need another one?

Are you really complaining about some kids opinion?

I think the toxic attitude of people like the OP is what's wrong with all of gaming.

Soooooo, you decided to complain about someone using a discussion forum to express his opinion about an opinion?

Wow.

Oh and...despite what you may believe, the fact that you have no arguments, is not covered up by using the meaningless buzzword "toxic", which I guess you picked up in the LoL forums. But hey, why come up with actual reasoning, when its so much easier to just call everyone you don't agree with "toxic", "elitist", "no-life", "fotm" or whatever it is that currently pollutes LoLs pseudo-community? ^^

[Deleted]

Are you really complaining about some kids opinion?

I think the toxic attitude of people like the OP is what's wrong with all of gaming.

I completely agree with you. The behaviour and attitudes of so much of the playerbase are vile.