[ARENA]2v2 - Disc/Retri

[nukebomba]

Let me explain please. Me and my teammate are stucked around 1,8k rating. Our record is 1882.

Is my team even ok, because we have so low CC's,.. Repentance and fear,.. Fear is 8yards.. Thats sick..

Paladin/warrior: Paladin is just out of LOS, and he cannot be feared, I don't have even chance to get near pala when war charges me and puts reducing speed on me.

Mage/anything: Paladin is cake for mage, so Its actually 3:2 if it comes to this situation.
Imagine Mage/Warlock.. Tons of CC's.

I need to heal, dispel, heal him, heal myself,.. Watch for polys, stay behind pillar...
We always lose against Mage/Warlock or Shaman/Warlock Teams.. Too many CCs..


Thats not my only problem. Second stuff is, when people sees me, they instantly OMFG GO PRAIST, NUKE THE PAPER, HE HAS NO MOBILITY, HE IS CLOTHER, HE CANNOT HOT, HE NEEDS TO CAST, INTERUPT, SILENCE, SPAM NUKE...

First: Inner Fire is up 100% time(have addon that reminds me).
Warrior,.. I can survive some time until I am OOM, or If he doesn't catch me on low, and pummels me.. Sometimes I even need to use all my CDs to outheal his dmg, wtf..
DK,.. Easy to survive,... But wtf interupt + silence.. GG.
Rogue, Easy to survive, if he is not pro.

But they are all the time on me, so I think we have a big issue here, because Ret Pala cannot peel the rogue of me, or warrior or DK, it is just not ment, and he cant peel, no abilites..
Ret Pala is mostly attacking other target, and we try to nuke DPS, while CC the healer, but rly hard with 2 CCS, and 8y fear as I explained.

Do I suck or its just Ret Pala/Disc Priest is hard hell to play combo? Should my Pala play other tactics?

Please any help, any advices.

[phus]

i did this comp and had the same problem.
ret doesnt have enough ways to pull melee off you. they have repentance and hammer
both on CDs and both dont really keep the dps off you for long.

Imo dont go with a ret, OR go shadow =)

[Darkzeon]

Actualy retry was supposed to do painfull hits because its the only way to win not having cheaty -50% healing, stunlocks, interupts, silence etc...
And now he damages less(without wings) then any rogue or warrior for example. Now its obvious that blizzard should add some abilityes to class like charge, paladin fear working on pvp targets, slow on judgement, -50% heal after crusader strike or just increase damage so retry will put much more presure on oponents and they will not ignore him trying to kill priest. So if warrior goes for your healer you go for his and nuke him like you should. Warrior will be forced to charge you, slow, fear etc.
But thats not going to happen because blizzard dont balance anything. Look at 3.3 patch. DK SS nerf for pvp with patch release and in 4 days 1 more nerf making strike unable to double crit. Ofc its awsome in pve even after all this nerfs but NOONE from blizzard tested it in pvp because if they did they would understand 2k crits are not serious.
And what about rogues? Buffing poisons? Was it realy needed? Next time they will buff Explosive shot, Lava burst, envenom and nerf crusader strike, SS etc. U'll see.
Sorry for my bad english.

[Livh]

omg nukebomba

are all of your threads gonna be whineomgicantplaypriestbuffmepls-crap?

if you are so pissed of priest, faceroll dk, as people of your "type" usually do.
you don`t even have to open a thread for crying about spending some more time into leveling afterwards! awesome, hm?

[Mr_Bojangles]

Arena match starts ---> shield ---> power infusion --> you have 15 seconds to put them so far on the defensive you win. Playing priest in arena is rough.

[TwistedPower]

How do you kill any geared druid teams with a ret? IMO it is a comp that can not work at any real raitings.

[quez]

Ret/priest may not be the best combo out there, but priest is probably the strongest class there is in 2s. Look at top 10 2s team worldwide.. several priest/mage, some priest/feraldruid and priest/rogue.

I loose to nearly every priest team at 1900rating (9/10 are mage/priest) on my holy pala.

[areohvee]

Let me explain please. Me and my teammate are stucked around 1,8k rating. Our record is 1882.

Is my team even ok, because we have so low CC's,.. Repentance and fear,.. Fear is 8yards.. Thats sick..

Paladin/warrior: Paladin is just out of LOS, and he cannot be feared, I don't have even chance to get near pala when war charges me and puts reducing speed on me.

Mage/anything: Paladin is cake for mage, so Its actually 3:2 if it comes to this situation.
Imagine Mage/Warlock.. Tons of CC's.

I need to heal, dispel, heal him, heal myself,.. Watch for polys, stay behind pillar...
We always lose against Mage/Warlock or Shaman/Warlock Teams.. Too many CCs..


Thats not my only problem. Second stuff is, when people sees me, they instantly OMFG GO PRAIST, NUKE THE PAPER, HE HAS NO MOBILITY, HE IS CLOTHER, HE CANNOT HOT, HE NEEDS TO CAST, INTERUPT, SILENCE, SPAM NUKE...

First: Inner Fire is up 100% time(have addon that reminds me).
Warrior,.. I can survive some time until I am OOM, or If he doesn't catch me on low, and pummels me.. Sometimes I even need to use all my CDs to outheal his dmg, wtf..
DK,.. Easy to survive,... But wtf interupt + silence.. GG.
Rogue, Easy to survive, if he is not pro.

But they are all the time on me, so I think we have a big issue here, because Ret Pala cannot peel the rogue of me, or warrior or DK, it is just not ment, and he cant peel, no abilites..
Ret Pala is mostly attacking other target, and we try to nuke DPS, while CC the healer, but rly hard with 2 CCS, and 8y fear as I explained.

Do I suck or its just Ret Pala/Disc Priest is hard hell to play combo? Should my Pala play other tactics?

Please any help, any advices.

for a troll you type WAYYYYYY too much
stop sir, you make my cats liver hurt

[Strykzor]

This comp used to be good before they took away party wide replenishment in arena.
Now its just crap.
Find a good rogue and do 3's

[areohvee]

yup
do 3s, you might be able to hit challenger if you read more mmo boards

[SarahWalker]

How do you kill any geared druid teams with a ret? IMO it is a comp that can not work at any real raitings.

This outdated mechanic in arena called "Dispell Magic"

[Somedudeknownaschris]

Ret priest isn't the best but it can work. I've played with a 200 res ret who had agility rings and stuff and we reached 2k. It's all about the CC, if your paladin is popping wings like a fag you won't kill anything, but time repentence into hoj into MC into fear and you're almost guaranteed a kill. Just gonna do my best to explain tactics for the comps you mentioned.

Paladin/warrior - Have your paladin nuke the warrior to put pressure on him to stop him being able to follow you line of sight if he's trying to stick on you. Absolute tunnelvision dispels on the warrior every time you see a sacred shield, get manaburns off whenever possible, look for a good CC rotation on the paladin whenever he comes in range, and work on pulling him in range if he's sitting 40 yards away.

Mage/Warlock - This should be alright if your paladin can time a freedom to score a kill rather than using freedom to just start off his attack. Again dispels will be a big priority to get rid of novas and fears, and you say "imagine the CC" but you're playing pala/priest you have double dispels, this sorta thing should be cake. The way we often played against stuff like this is I (the priest) went on the offensive whilst the paladin stays back a bit until it's time to go in for a kill. They will want to go the paladin so sticking him at the back whilst a healer runs at them usually gets em confused and are on 80% health before they've even realised what you're doing (this was more of a joke thing than a good tactic but hey :P).

And yeah, vs warriors you will have a hard time with their damage that's just the way warrior vs priest goes at the moment. Best thing I can say is stick yourself in a position where the warrior won't dare to attack you, if you're out of LOS of their healer, and the warrior follows you LOS while your ret is beating on him (with wings probably if the warrior makes a mistake like this), then yeah you've either got a load of pressure/cooldowns/kill out, or he decides to not follow you and well, pressure is off gg.

[TwistedPower]

This outdated mechanic in arena called "Dispell Magic"

So your saying you should dispell the druids heals... like lifebloom right? Smart.

[Strykzor]

The reason Ret/Disc worked coz of replenishment.
Replenishment gives mana.
Mana = Spells
Spells = Dispel/Healing/Manaburn

The fact a Disc priest could go crazy mashing any spell he liked and have little mana problems unless being burned by a priest, hunter or lock.

If you try to spam dispel a druid, say goodbye to your mana.
lbx3 juv growth motw thorns with 30% dispel resistance? good luck.

Most 2v2 matches vs Druids are good switches when the druids hots are about to fall off and then dispel anything he might have renewed.

[talrob]

So your saying you should dispell the druids heals... like lifebloom right? Smart.

Yes, yes we are...the healing from lifebloom is nowhere near the amount 3 dots + boosted other heals. Also the druid has to waste mana and several gcd recasting them. Obviously if he only casts lifebloom and /dances then dont dispel.

[Sphinxz]

Retribution Paladin and Discipline Priest can work at higher ratings. The highest I been with it was 2250 I think.

As proof: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...n=Sph%C3%ACnxz

It is a hard comp to play, it really is. The margin for fail is very small, very small mistakes can cost you games. Every team with a warr will be hard for you due to how much the warr anti priests in arena atm. The paladin needs to be very smart and know when he needs to be defensive and help you and when to dmg. The thing about ret pally dmg is that it is very bursty and not very consistent, especially against warlock and also a bit against mages you will have to abuse LoS as much as you can. The paladin should only go out for dmg when he got his judgement rdy and the just time it with a repentance fear or something.
Fast switches on druids can also be effective, what you need to do is:
Heal up your paladin, dispel and buffs off the druid, put SW: Pain on him and Devouring Plague, then you yell "SWITCH DRUID" on your ventrilo and you push Power Infusion and go nuts with Mind Blast -> Holy Fire -> Smite -> Smite.
On higher ratings this is quite hard to do due to the druids gear and because he knows that is what you are gonna try.
If you got Solace of the Fallen, use that along with a PvP trinket you need the regen!
Hope it helped

Sphinxz

[TwistedPower]

Yes, yes we are...the healing from lifebloom is nowhere near the amount 3 dots + boosted other heals. Also the druid has to waste mana and several gcd recasting them. Obviously if he only casts lifebloom and /dances then dont dispel.

So how do you heal your partner, and keep dispells going at the same time, especially with dispell resistance? And do that wilhout running oom?

What you say is compleatly wrong.

As for disc/ret "working" If the best you can do in the best gear is under 2400 then it is not a viable comp. It is a struggle comp that can never get near the top.

[Stirgan]

and keep dispells going at the same time, especially with dispell resistance?

There's something called Spell penetration... you know.

As for disc/ret "working" If the best you can do in the best gear is under 2400 then it is not a viable comp. It is a struggle comp that can never get near the top.

Team that can get 2400+ isnt viable ... ? ok.
And @ 2200+ 90% of teams have gear close to best.

[TwistedPower]

There's something called Spell penetration... you know.

Team that can get 2400+ isnt viable ... ? ok.
And @ 2200+ 90% of teams have gear close to best.

Spell pen does not work vs talents 30% anti dispell, and you can get all the best gear once you hit 2200. but if it requires all the best gear to just bearly hit it then the comp is not good.

[Stirgan]

Spell pen does not work vs talents 30% anti dispell

He was actually answering to guy that said we should dispel druid's hots.
And druids have no 30% anti dispel talent.