Changes to Backdraft

[Singularity]

Backdraft now reduces the casting time of Shadow Bolt, Incinerate, and Shadow Bolt by 10/20/30% for 15 sec. No longer has 3 charges

What does this change mean? Does it mean that base casting time of said spells is reduced to 10/20/30% or is it the same spells as it is on live only with 1 charge?

[Deleted]

It means the effect providing the casting time reduction will last for 15 seconds instead of having charges.

[Deleted]

It would seem to be an almost permanent 30% haste. Too good to stay, it will be nerfed in a future patch (like shadowflame, empowered imp and soul leech, all strong talents/spells, has been hit by the nerf bat in this one)

[Singularity]

It means the effect providing the casting time reduction will last for 15 seconds instead of having charges.

Oh my, I did not read the 15 seconds part. Thanks mate

[Yuanrang]

It would seem to be an almost permanent 30% haste. Too good to stay, it will be nerfed in a future patch (like shadowflame, empowered imp and soul leech, all strong talents/spells, has been hit by the nerf bat in this one)

Nope, 30% cast speed reduction. Casting Speed reductions aren't the equivalent of Haste.

[Deleted]

Nope, 30% cast speed reduction. Casting Speed reductions aren't the equivalent of Haste.

Sorry my fault. It's equivalent to ~42% haste right?

[BurningStick]

Sorry my fault. It's equivalent to ~42% haste right?

The 30% cast time reduction does not act exactly as haste. Fx it does not reduce the global cd...

[Deleted]

The 30% cast time reduction does not act exactly as haste. Fx it does not reduce the global cd...

Sure, but from the formula

NCT = OCT * 1 / (1 + haste% / 100)
with NCT = 0.7 (and above the GCD), haste% is ~42%

A permanent backdraft is a VERY good talent.

[Kirkh]

Well, its not actually "permanent" since u have to immolate-Conflagrate first, but yes, it is very good. I dought its gonna stay thought

[Singularity]

Mind you, it will only work of Incinerate and the talent doesn't state whether it needs Conflagrate to activate it.

[Deleted]

well, it mentions SB twice, guess one of em is Chaos Bolt instead... but ye, dont think it'll be 100% proc @ conflag anymore, or everything will have to be 'rebalanced' around perma-backdraft

[Yuanrang]

Well, its not actually "permanent" since u have to immolate-Conflagrate first, but yes, it is very good. I dought its gonna stay thought

Actually, it somewhat is permanent unless they change the reasons for Backdraft uptime. Assuming you'll always be hitcapped, Backdraft proc'ing on Conflagrate and Conflagrate being on a 10 second duration, it's just an effective 30% cast speed reduction. It's not baseline permanent, but it's effectively permanent (in PvE, at least). :P

I'm not entirely sure if it'll just be Incinerate. Looking at the quoted tooltip, it mentions Shadow Bolt twice. Chances are, one of those should be Chaos Bolt.

But a permanent 30% casting speed reduction is very, very, very good. Just use backdraft now on Live and you'll see how good it is.

[Jessicka]

With Shadow and Flame affecting both Incinerate and Shadowbolt, and Bane also being a baseline talent, will this mean Destruction will switch to SB while Backdraft is procced? :O

[Deleted]

With Shadow and Flame affecting both Incinerate and Shadowbolt, and Bane also being a baseline talent, will this mean Destruction will switch to SB while Backdraft is procced? :O

Unlikely if Destro keeps its specialization "Cataclysm: Increases Fire spell damage by 25%"

[Jessicka]

That'll be where Fire and Brimstone went.

[Deleted]

That'll be where Fire and Brimstone went.

On wowhead talent calculator I still see it.
http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#I
Not being in beta I find hard to know if informations here or on wowhead are up to date.
For example, if I look for mastery information here
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...lock-Cataclysm
I can only find only the announced ones, with still the haste and crit increase (IIRC, I read that only damage is increased for all the specs).

[adynn]

It would seem to be an almost permanent 30% haste. Too good to stay, it will be nerfed in a future patch (like shadowflame, empowered imp and soul leech, all strong talents/spells, has been hit by the nerf bat in this one)

I didn't find soul leech all that OP, they could have just cut a spell or two again imo, 2% health and mana seems very lackluster (as it will proc less than on live).

OT: I also imagine it won't last, but my bet is that the 30% will change to 5-10%, thus fixing most of our haste capping issues.

[Yuanrang]

Well, it's likely you'll use shadowbolt before mastery comes into play. I actually haven't checked the talent calculator, but for all we know, we might pick up Backdraft before Incinerate can even be trained, so some Shadow Bolt use wouldn't be too surprising. I just hope that Destruction won't scale as badly as it did in WOTLK now that we have a mastery dumpstat when we start reaching the inevitable (I assume?) haste caps in endgame content. :/

[sugarfree]

I don't think it will stay. And it will be nerfed to uselessness.

Hopefully it won't.

[Deleted]

I didn't find soul leech all that OP, they could have just cut a spell or two again imo, 2% health and mana seems very lackluster (as it will proc less than on live).

On the paper Soul Leech, with the high chance of Empowered Imp + Chaos Bolt would have removed the need for Destro locks to Life Tap in PvE. And even in PvP +10% health every 12 seconds wasn't too bad.
Coincidentally in this patch LT, EI and SL were all nerfed.