Bleep it... Can we give both factions what they want already? Bring life back into the world....
Bleep it... Can we give both factions what they want already? Bring life back into the world....
Paladins are Cool Now?
What happen to Kalgan?
It was said in some dev interview where someone asked about what would happen to Jaina with the whole Theramore thing. Only had to go back a page to find someone quoting it, and some quick googling leads to https://twitter.com/DaveKosak/status...72812030742528 where he actually said it.
Sigh. I think it's pretty clear from audio files that Jaina wanted to use focusing Iris to destroy Orgimmar. Calec reasoned her and she gave up. That's why Kirin Tor choose her as successor. Jaina isn't neutral, never was - Varian is her king and Garrosh is her enemy, at least for now. But Kirin Tor has much more important duty - to guard magic realm. To think that Dalaran wil risk civil war for this Varian brute bidding - that's preposterous.
They were involved in the war before Jaina even got the title. The Horde made enemies of the Kirin Tor when they stole the Focusing Iris from them.
There's no logical reason for them to remain neutral after that. But neutral factions have overlooked the Horde's actions even though it didn't make sense before (Cenarians not caring about the Horde razing Ashenvale, Sylvanas kidnapping a member of the KotEB, etc.) so it's more a question of whether or not Blizz will actually have the balls to make the Kirin Tor an Alliance-only faction or if gameplay will dictate they stay neutral even though lore says they shouldn't.
So now you're comparing the NIGHT ELF capital with the goblin town? Ok, Then Darnassus = Orgrimmar+Bilgewater Harbour by your logic since the goblins stay in Orgrimmar as the worgen stay in Darnassus.
And lol, you're comparing the fully remade but not damaged orgrimmar to the fully remade but with some large holes sw? You don't like Org? Good, Stay in Undercity. Stay in TB, stay in SM. It doesn't change that Org is a majestic town, and SW is a town with holes in it. And they're both the "de facto" capitals of their alliances.
Pyrewood was never Alliance, neither was AMbermill.
People seem to either ignore or just dont know that the reason why Hillsbrad was made into a Horde zone was to fix (to a degree) the PRE-EXISTING Horde/Alliance zone imbalance.
Either way. These constant "faction favoritism" debates are all petty anyways.
Its like me QQing that the Blackhorn fight takes place on an Alliance gunship, if I did, people should look at me if i was retarded and petty
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Org is a shit-hole and Stormwind is a city of awsomeness that poops out awsomness - I can twist words to suit my views too.
Plus that is an opinion not fact.
Personally I love the new Horde buildings, but I know others that hate it.
Theramore is absolutely more important than Stonard, both in lore and in-game. If nothing else (in-game), it's the Alliance's point of travel to eastern Kalimdor. I'm not sure what would be done to replace it except perhaps to make Alliance go to Ratchet, and making Alliance take boats that send them squarely into Northern Barrens - Horde territory - after what happens to Theramore seems a little extreme.
I am going to toss in my own speculation here, based on the post-event map: Theramore will not be completely destroyed and will continue to be a quest hub. The boat from Menethil Harbor to Theramore will still run. My reasoning? On the map, the docks and a flight path are still there.
Yay, murder
While the audio on the front page isn't final, like Boub stated in the vid itself - if it is sort of an indication of her final verdict, I think Blizzard might have backpedalled on their initial idea which was Jaina going alliance and hostile against the horde. Or at least the last half of the audio leads me to believe that.
If that's true, it wouldn't surprise me if it was partially due to the whine-age about being hostile not fitting Jaina and that it's lorelol and idiotic to make her hostile.
Myeah..
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"Give us nothing"?
I play both Alliance and Horde but the entirety of Cataclysm was filled with "giving" your "us" something and the alliance's "us' nothing, nothing but losses - unless you, like the mass of screaming horde fans count Taurajo as an atrocity of war and more than a compensation for all the losses of the alliance.
If you don't mind, I don't think Blizzard owes your "us" anything at all, even if I'm sure that they'll get the horde something out of it while it's the alliance who loses a NEAR capital city.
Thanks for the awesome sig, Lady Amuno.
The audio file indicates nothing of the sort. All that we know is that she was going to do something that Kalecgos prevented. That does not mean she will be neutral. Only that she will be less extreme in the way she will fight the Horde.
And I'm sick of reading that Jaina was neutral with the Horde and that she suddenly "turns" Alliance. Jaina always was a staunch supporter of the Alliance. Just because she advocated peace with the Horde does not mean she was less loyal to the Alliance.
I'm sorry, when does the stole Focusing Iris? From Blue Dragonflight? You think of Eye of Dalaran probably, and that was Second War. Old Story.
And logical reason is easy, frankly. If you stop and think. It will lead to civil war.
First of all, there are horde members among archmages and in the Council of Six.
Then, a lot of mages had long relationship with dragonflights, some of them to the point of dragonsworn. They simply don't think of themselves as Alliance, they don't care of this petty war. They think of a far more noble destiny.
And third, Kirin Tor cares the most about studying magic. No one will dare to attack Dalaran now. So Kirin Tor are free to learn magic. With the help of Blue Dragonflight. Inside the Nexus.
Why would they want to join war effort on the other side of the planet, again?
Read up some on the Fall of Theramore event, and listen to the speech files that have been posted on the front page - how Garrosh GOT it hasn't been addressed in any detail as yet (I suspect that will be in the novel), but yes... the Horde has the Focusing Iris, and they use it as a weapon against Theramore. So no, he's not talking about the Eye of Dalaran at all.
We know the Iris was in the Kirin Tor's possession after Dragon Soul. We know it was stolen, and that a Sunreaver was apparently involved, and we know it's used by the Horde to destroy Theramore before it's recovered by the Alliance.
We may not know every little detail of what happens, but we have enough of an outline to know that the Kirin Tor should be upset.
We know that Horde tried to use Iris to destroy Theramore and had it briefly in possession after attack. Show me exact quote that it was stolen before attack.
To me sabotage scenario makes more sense, than outright stealing. It's risky, takes a lot more effort and time, and brings unwanted attention of dragons.
How 'bout we read the actual from-the-publisher summary of the book:
http://www.fictiondb.com/author/chri...r~310857~b.htm
Dark news arrives in Jaina’s beloved city, Theramore. One of the blue dragonflight’s most powerful artifacts -- the Focusing Iris -- has been stolen. To unravel the item’s mysterious whereabouts, Jaina works with the former blue Dragon Aspect Kalecgos. The two brilliant heroes forge an unlikely bond during their investigation, but another disastrous turn of events looms on the horizon. . . .
I even bolded the pertinent part for you.