I love how they are saying he used "weapons of mass destruction" since when is a pipe bomb or home made bomb considered this?
When we went into Iraq looking for WMD's we found none. So are you telling me Iraq had not one bomb?
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Except they can in this circumstance. Thats how this special law works. You have no rights, like the right to remain silent etc.
Unless Aurora and and Shady were politically motivated they don't count.Title 22, Chapter 38 of the United States Code (regarding the Department of State) contains a definition of terrorism in its requirement that annual country reports on terrorism be submitted by the Secretary of State to Congress every year. It reads:
"Definitions ... the term 'terrorism' means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;
Now what was that about a lack of a Government stance? By the way same source as the person who posted about a lack of definition.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/2656f
As used in this section—
(1) the term “international terrorism” means terrorism involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country;
(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;
(3) the term “terrorist group” means any group practicing, or which has significant subgroups which practice, international terrorism;
Last edited by Themius; 2013-04-21 at 07:24 PM.
Our government loves blanket terms that hold no real definition.
Terrorist or terrorism and Assault Weapon are 2 of my favorite.
It's not the whole government. It's just dumb people being dumb.
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US legal definitions also considers a potato gun a weapon of mass destruction. Seriously. (At least, if you shoot someone with it.)
That's the definition of terrorism insofar as annual reports on terrorism compiled the State Dept. is concerned. Since they are specifically compiled as:– I don't believe that definition is a valid one when considering acts of terrorism on U.S. soil.(A) detailed assessments with respect to each foreign country
I would suggest the definition I supplied above from Title 18, regarding Crimes and Criminal Procedure, is more appropriate.
Last edited by Dispersedshadow; 2013-04-21 at 08:10 PM. Reason: clarity
Incorrect.
(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
That is Sandy, Aurora shootings and Boston bombing.
(1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;
These are international acts of terrorism such as in Iraq and Afghanistan.
When did anyone speak about the lack of government stance? These definitions I stated above DO NOT say anything about it being politically motivated or not. Now, I don't know why your government has two conflicting definitions.
Code of Federal Regulations definition says there is no universal accepted definition but...
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...X4Zwx6VuZ3LrZwThere is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is
defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “...the unlawful use of force and vio-
lence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian
population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”
(28 C.F.R. Section 0.85)
The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending
on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of
this report, the FBI will use the following definitions:
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We have 6-8 definition and most of them are close to what the FBI's definition is.
As I understand it, the CFR appears to allow government agencies to enable enforcement policy in this case in regards to the Title 18 (Criminal and Penal Code) definition that I provided. I'll also point out that the definition contains terminology so vague that it makes the "in furtherance of" applicable to just about anything (unless there's a official government definition for the phrase bolded below):
For example, under that definition – one could argue that an individual castrating (unlawful use of force/violence) another person (a segment of the civilian population) is an act of coercing them (by removing their ability to reproduce) in furtherance of the social objective of zero global population growth....the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian
population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
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For those that don't know, the 19 year old kid has a twitter feed here:
https://twitter.com/J_tsar
Interesting tweets:
Jahar @J_tsar 15 Apr
There are people that know the truth but stay silent & there are people that speak the truth but we don't hear them cuz they're the minority
Jahar @J_tsar 15 Apr
@MelloChamp and they what "god hates dead people?" Or victims of tragedies? Lol those people are cooked
I couldn't find anything else of interest in his feed.
Two people he tweeted recently have gone private with their feed, @therealabdul_ and @MelloChamp
You can still read them at topsy tho
http://topsy.com/twitter/mellochamp
http://topsy.com/twitter/therealabdul_
There really isn't anything there tho.
I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh at this one guys twitter account. (he's a friend of jahar)
https://twitter.com/TroyCrossley
At the top it says:
I'm 20 and a Rapper trying to make my dream come into a realty.
trying to make my dream come into a realty.
into a realty.
realty.
REALTY?!
He's a rapper but he really wants to sell real estate??
Last edited by Grummgug; 2013-04-22 at 04:31 AM.
AP just reported that the suspect has been charged in hospital with 'conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction'. Also AP, Obama stated he will not be treated as an enemy combatant.
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A weapon of mass destruction?
Seriously?
I know there's no 'Official' definition of WMD's, but the US Military definition is:
Just seems to be an odd choice of sentence. Further more I hear he possibly faces the death penalty. I don't agree with the Death Penalty in the slightest for anyone, but hell, it's almost bound to happen, the bloodlust following this event guarantees it.Chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapons capable of a high order of destruction or causing mass casualties and exclude the means of transporting or propelling the weapon where such means is a separable and divisible part from the weapon. Also called WMD.