"Just let them win"

**ItachiZaku** · 2013-08-05, 01:27 PM

Tsk.

What are your thoughts on this practice? Not so much win trading, but when you get down in a BG and you have people crying to "just let them win". Usually, these maniacs are really aggressive about their obsession to lose, this morning someone merely asked why I capped a node in BfG while we were down 1420-400.

Personally, I'm there for the fun, we weren't necessarily getting smashed, just losing. I love the matches were we overcome a huge deficit to win, or make the other team nervous. Most of all, i applaud the effort of my faction. If you want to just roll over and stay on the boat, just eat the deserter debuff and stay out of my battlegrounds.

I do understand the honor/time argument, but then what? You'll be full Ty and still giving up.

**Rorke** · 2013-08-05, 01:38 PM

Most people like myself don't really care about factions. Some people just care about getting geared to play their alt in arena and want to save as much time as possible. You have to remember that some people out there do not enjoy random bg's and do not enjoy the grind of getting basic gear that they will get rolled in arena anyway. The bad attitudes stem from that and possibly playing the game for an extended period of time without a break.

I love the matches were we overcome a huge deficit to win, or make the other team nervous.

The thing is is that most experienced players know this isn't going to happen unless the bad players leave and are magically replaced with better players. That is usally the only time a comeback will happen. I've only seen it happen probably twice in my time playing this game and I've played over a thousand bg's. I'm sure more experienced bg hero's can answer this for you better than I can.

**Xerkx** · 2013-08-05, 01:41 PM

damn, a trashcan

Contribute when posting, please

**Snuggli** · 2013-08-05, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ryan Cailan Ebonheart

The thing is is that most experienced players know this isn't going to happen unless the bad players leave and are magically replaced with better players. That is usally the only time a comeback will happen.

This is my opinion on it too. If you've started to lose, unless some of your players get replaced then it's unlikely you're going to turn it around. Capping a base at 1500-400 is mostly pointless because to come back from that you'd have to 5 cap them in AB within < 30 seconds and hold it until you won. All you were doing is stalling your loss which is probably why someone mentioned it.

It's not particularly 'giving up', it's more like accepting that you can't win because of the quality of your team vs their team. Most people would rather lose fast and queue up for the chance of winning than sit in a losing BG for 20 minutes.

**Itisamuh** · 2013-08-05, 01:47 PM

While I agree with you to a point, when you've done as many battlegrounds as I have, you know a loss when you see one. If there's any potential for coming back, you'll see it very early. It's clear when there's no hope at all though, but in those cases, I still don't understand why someone would say to just let the other team win when they're obviously going to anyway. I guess it's to save a few minutes, but I'll try to prolong that time just to rebuke their whining. And I suppose what one of the other posters said is true as well, some people just want the gear to do arena, but I'd wager that's a small portion. Arena isn't nearly as popular as battlegrounds, and gets less so each expansion. But still, even if you're only intending to do battlegrounds, you still want the gear as quickly as possible. So I see both sides of the fence on this, but it's about knowing when it's hopeless and when it isn't. Some call it quits way too easily, and they're the ones I feel contempt for.

**Naxere** · 2013-08-05, 01:48 PM

I hate this attitude. Usually the people saying it are the 0k-5d types who are terrible.

**ComputerNerd** · 2013-08-05, 01:50 PM

The problem is rewarding failure.
Players get honor for screwing around, such that they have no intention of actually winning and see any result as a win in their eyes, because they get something out of it.
The honorable defender buff should be extended to all objectives, and to be the only source of honor.
Ganking people in the middle of nowhere, away from every objective should get you no honor.
That way people might be encouraged more to play.

**ItachiZaku** · 2013-08-05, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Snuggli

Capping a base at 1500-400 is mostly completely pointless because to come back from that you'd have to 5 cap them in AB within < 30 seconds. All you were doing is stalling your loss which is probably why someone mentioned it.

This one was Gilneas, i've seen these comebacks there much more frequently. AB, i would have planted my honor boosting flag and /prowl for those last few seconds.

I have zero interest in Arenas (I will do the 100 for the mount next patch), since it's usually done with my roommates who are about as casual as I am, but I still like the "thrill" of random BGs.

I think the 10% win percentages of IoC and AV have softened my stance on these types of things, but I just don't like giving up... most times.

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Originally Posted by ComputerNerd

The problem is rewarding failure.

That was one of my issues with Rift, you'd get a chunk of XP, Gold, Rep, and "honor" for losing. A lot of it.

**Sengiratolom** · 2013-08-05, 01:54 PM

there are 2 reasons to join a bg= trying to win it, or doing achieves in said bg. som e of the achieves require you to cap X amount of bases/flags/carts whatever, so in a sense even those bgs in which you are losing can yield a gain by progressing on those achieves.

Sure you delay the loss for others, but the same way winning a bg would probably delay your progress on said achieve as others will have kept the base and not going to lose it for your achieve progress.

Apart from some achieves that promote risky play (overcome a 500 disadvantage, win with 1600-1590), anything else is beneficial to the main objective= winning the bg, so is fair game in a pug, you can premade the detrimental gameplay achieves if you wish to.

Fun fact to add, after trying for 2 hours to get the 1600-1590 achieve back then but failing (as in winning with 1600-1580 or 1600-1570 and giving the pug opponents the achieve once, i joined 2 pugs and ended up running into a premade that did the same miscalculation and thereby gave us the achieve, along with the 500 recovery credit (already premaded that, but i saw others in the pug gain it).

I tend to focus on random bg objective achieves 1st and then care about the wins so i dont have to run around like a headless chicken trying to get the random things after getting 100 wins.

Deleted · 2013-08-05, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Erenax

I hate this attitude. Usually the people saying it are the 0k-5d types who are terrible.

I usually say it if I'm the only one from my team appearing on the scoreboard. If you have 7 alliances with 16-0-30 and 1 horde with 16-5-16, then what would be the reward for your strenuous efforts attempting to carry your team all by yourself? Your team is most likely made up entirely of bots and they certainly won't thank you. They won't even know what you did. The only thing you gain by struggling is a headache. The only thing you lose by giving up and succumbing to the bot-playstyle is wasted time fighting a lost battle.

If you know you're teamed with shitters, the easiest way to turn the tides is to lose quickly and hope for some luck, regarding who you get teamed up with, for the next game. As the game is now, with gear scaled down, no matter how good or geared you are, you will not be able to win 1v10 or even 1v4.

There's usually that one guy with a 1-60-3 score who tells you to man up and continue the fight, though. I love that guy <.<

**asb** · 2013-08-05, 01:56 PM

I stay out of battleground chat, but if my team sucks I generally give up on objectives. Objectives in most battlegrounds mean putting yourself in a vulnerable position, and if I'm not getting any decent support I don't care to be repeatedly 6v1'd. I'm neither there for honour or to go tryhard mode over winning.

**marthsk** · 2013-08-05, 01:57 PM