Mentally Reprogramming Criminals, is it ethical to FORCE them to undergo it?

[AmericanJustice]

Closed /10char I changed my mind on this topic because it would be too friendly for convicted murderers.

[Deleted]

A future in which a person is not the sovereign of their mind is one i don't want to live in.

[Velaniz]

Probably not much more unethical than it is to in the first place lock them up in a confined environment against their will. I see the merits to your stance here.

[Cradix]

Suppose in the future, we develop safe ways to rehabilitate even the worst of the worst make it almost 100% safe, the person after the rehab is still the same conciousness as the one before it, the odds of malpractice are very slim, in this future, we use robots which are much more careful than human sergans. Fixing the impulses and other issues which lead to murder through invasive means. Once they undergo the surgery, they become a model citizen, as empathetic as the average individual, has high level of control over their actions.

Would it be ethical to force them to undergo the surgery without their consent?
This is the way I see it. These pieces of shit either undergo the surgery to become a model citizen, or they spend life without the possibility of parole inside solitary confinement, alive in a grave, no natural light because if they are shit enough to want to remain a piece of shit, they should be treated like a piece of shit.

Also, as a condition of their release from prison, they should also have their taxes increased by 5-10% and that 5-10% will go towards paying off the surgery that was used in the rehabilitative process. If they had to stay in solitary confinement for 25 years before they break and decide they are willing to undergo the surgery, that 5-10% of their total income can be extended.

Ok then, let's start with you. Since you're the one advocating this, you volunteer to be the first to prove that the procedure works, capisce?

[Forfax]

No, it wouldn't be ethical under any circumstance, you can't play with people brains and expect it to be ''ethical''.
''Mentally reprogramming'' anyone is unacceptable and would violate any right that they have.

Think of the consequence, it the prisoner for now, but who will it be next?

[apepi]

Or you could make their prison at least somewhat liveable, just saying...

[Mancowski]

They figure this out, then next thing you know they are programming babies and we become slaves to the rich without even knowing it.

[Calfredd]

Probably not much more unethical than it is to in the first place lock them up in a confined environment against their will. I see the merits to your stance here.

He actually started a petition for criminals to be locked up in solitary confinement no matter the crime.

[Deleted]

They said the same thing as OP when they found Lobotomy, look how good that turned up.

[Itisamuh]

I would rather just execute repeat offenders and lifers, a much simpler and justified solution.

[Deleted]

Pretty sure I saw an episode of The Outer Limits about this, didnt end well.

[IIamaKing]

I feel like long internment in prison is already a form of reprogramming, just in a very negative way. I feel it would probably a bit more ethical than locking them up, assuming it was fool proof.

[Deleted]

They said the same thing as OP when they found Lobotomy, look how good that turned up.

Fun morbid fact of the day!

JFK's sister Rosemary underwent a lobotomy due to her behavioral issues (Her family says at least) at a young age purely because medical opinion on the matter was, "Circle jerk time, we're so great".

The procedure of the operation you ask?

"We went through the top of the head, I think she was awake. She had a mild tranquilizer. I made a surgical incision in the brain through the skull. It was near the front. It was on both sides. We just made a small incision, no more than an inch." The instrument Dr. Watts used looked like a butter knife. He swung it up and down to cut brain tissue. "We put an instrument inside," he said. As Dr. Watts cut, Dr. Freeman put questions to Rosemary. For example, he asked her to recite the Lord's Prayer or sing "God Bless America" or count backwards..... "We made an estimate on how far to cut based on how she responded." ..... When she began to become incoherent, they stopped.

It was a rather dark stain on the Kennedy family and was majorly hushed up.

J... just thought since we were on the topic of lobotomy's and all...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy#Lobotomy

[PACOX]

Its unethical in my world. One should have sovereignty over their own mind to whatever extent nature has blessed them with.

If society doesn't want them around then society should just remove them from society.

[Tradewind]

Oh bliss! Bliss and heaven! Oh, it was gorgeousness and gorgeousity made flesh. It was like a bird of rarest-spun heaven metal or like silvery wine flowing in a spaceship, gravity all nonsense now. As I slooshied, I knew such lovely pictures!

[AmericanJustice]

A future in which a person is not the sovereign of their mind is one i don't want to live in.

As long as you are not that 16 year old boy that raped and attempted murder of that poor girl, don't worry about it.

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They said the same thing as OP when they found Lobotomy, look how good that turned up.

except removing a portion of the brain usually doesn't work... and highly dangerous. What we are talking about here is repairing or fixing damaged parts of the brain, like inability to control anger and emotions.

[Deleted]

As long as you are not that 16 year old boy that raped and attempted murder of that poor girl, don't worry about it.

I will worry regardless though of me not being guilty of any crime.

When you put the standard of not respecting a persons mind, what next?

Will we attempt to forcefully hold and invade homosexuals minds, bisexuals, trans people in the guise of helping them?

Thankfully such a thing will never be realizable in my generation or perhaps dozen generations, so i take comfort in that.

[AmericanJustice]

I will worry regardless though of me not being guilty of any crime.

When you put the standard of not respecting a persons mind, what next?

Will we attempt to forcefully hold and invade homosexuals minds, bisexuals, trans people in the guise of helping them?

Thankfully such a thing will never be realizable in my generation or perhaps dozen generations, so i take comfort in that.

we draw the line to very violent criminals. remorseless murderers and rapists. Not just any violent criminal. Economic crimes will not be required.

[Deleted]

If the subject is indeed clearly mentally unstable, and the other option is death penalty or life in prison, then maybe.

But the chance of its misuse is horrifying. As long as there are "liberal" lefties in positions of power, I don't want to see tech like this even developed. Very soon it wouldn't be used just on homicidal serial killers; it would be used on people with "incorrect" political views. Every socialist dictator's wet dream come true. "Diagnosis" enabling the forced "treatment" is easy to get when doctors are on your payroll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic..._schizophrenia

On the covert orders of the KGB, thousands of social and political reformers—Soviet "dissidents"—were incarcerated in mental hospitals after being labelled with diagnoses of "sluggish schizophrenia", a disease fabricated by Snezhnevsky and "Moscow school" of psychiatry.

[eja216]

"Suppose a thousand hypotheticals..."
But seriously, wasn't this already all covered in A Clockwork Orange?



"You needn't take it any further, sir. You've proved to me that all this ultraviolence and killing is wrong, wrong, and terribly wrong. I've learned me lesson, sir. I've seen now what I've never seen before. I'm cured! Praise god!"