The Rise of Putinism. Greymane Global Trends (GGT)

[GennGreymane]

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2....-take.cnn.html
Video on the subject

Russian President Vladimir Putin heads the Cabinet meeting in the Novo-Ogaryovo residence, outside Moscow, Russia, Wednesday, July 30, 2014. The meeting focused on measures to encourage Russian companies to pull their assets back from offshores. The United States and the European Union on Tuesday announced a raft of new sanctions against Russian companies and banks over Moscow’s support for separatists in Ukraine. (AP Photo/RIA Novosti, Alexei Nikolsky, Presidential Press Service) (Alexei Nikolsky/AP)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...265_story.html

Fareed Zakaria at the Washington Post. By that he means a generally repressive governing ideology that Vladimir Putin has created over the years to sustain his power. The worrisome thing to Zakaria is that elements of Putinism already can be seen spreading to other governments, notably Hungary and Turkey. Meanwhile, far-right leaders all around Europe are "openly admiring of Putin and what he stands for."

So what does he stand for? "The crucial elements of Putinism are nationalism, religion, social conservatism, state capitalism, and government domination of the media," writes Zakaria. "They are all, in some way or another, different from and hostile to, modern Western values of individual rights, tolerance, cosmopolitanism, and internationalism." Whether Putinism flourishes into a wider movement might well depend on what happens in Ukraine. If Putin succeeds in bending that nation to his will, look out. If he fails, instead of leading a movement, he "might find himself presiding over a globally isolated Siberian petro-state." Click for the full column.

http://www.newser.com/story/191863/b...-putinism.html

Over time, however, Putin established order in the country while presiding over a booming economy as oil prices quadrupled under his watch. He began creating a repressive system of political, economic and social control to maintain his power. As he faced opposition, particularly in the parliamentary elections of 2011, Putin recognized that he needed more than just brute force to defeat his opponents. He needed an ideology of power and began articulating one in speeches, enacting legislation and using his office to convey adherence to a set of values.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn....e-of-putinism/


What is your opinion on this trend? It is hard to say, but once the dust over Ukraine settles we will know what Putinism can be.

[Deleted]

"They are all, in some way or another, different from and hostile to, modern Western values of individual rights, tolerance, cosmopolitanism, and internationalism."

What is this shit? Cultural marxism is a threat to western values, not nationalism or conservatism.

[ringpriest]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...265_story.html




http://www.newser.com/story/191863/b...-putinism.html


What is your opinion on this trend? It is hard to say, but once the dust over Ukraine settles we will know what Putinism can be.

Hmm, "The crucial elements of Putinism are nationalism, religion, social conservatism, state capitalism, and government domination of the media." That sounds familiar...





If Putin had been born in the US, the Republicans would nominate him for president. (Not that the Democrats are much better.) How about if we Americans worry about getting rid "Putinism" here in the US, instead of letting our own, home-grown Putinists distract attention from themselves by pointing at the scary bogey-man on the other side of the world?

[Sunseeker]

I think it's giving Putin too much credit. These aspects have long existed in many ex-Soviet Bloc nations and a variety of Balkan states and various other countries around the world. The only reason Putin gets his name on it simply because his country is big enough and powerful enough to get away with it. I agree with Ringpriest though, If Putin wasn't Russian the GoP would be throwing themselves all over him. it's really not hard to understand why backwards people support backwards policies.

[Kuax]

Oh, look, another lowbrow propaganda to distract from atrocities, which so-called civilized countries are responsible for. Or in worst case scenario it's an attempt to dehumanize another country to get a public approval for war. It worked with Middle East already, why it would fail now?

[Daelak]

Hmm, "The crucial elements of Putinism are nationalism, religion, social conservatism, state capitalism, and government domination of the media." That sounds familiar...





If Putin had been born in the US, the Republicans would nominate him for president. (Not that the Democrats are much better.) How about if we Americans worry about getting rid "Putinism" here in the US, instead of letting our own, home-grown Putinists distract attention from themselves by pointing at the scary bogey-man on the other side of the world?

They would prefer him, and quite a alarming percentage of conservatives and republicans would rather have him as a CiC. These people are the definition of anti-American.

[Sunseeker]

I think it's a lot of bullshit intended as propaganda to keep us on the side of our governments while they travel the world, trampling human rights and everything.

If you're familiar with Fareed Zakaria, it's propaganda yes, but not to make us blindly support our governments against theirs. He's a very outspoken critic of Western hypocrisy in those matters.

[MerinPally]

Putin is near enough a dictator and freedom indexes actually have him down as one. It's terrifying and yes it's "spreading" but it was already there, it's just only gained more momentum recently and then with all the problems with Russia it's more in peoples minds. The problems were always there though. I do find it funny how Americans complain about it though, when near 50% of them vote for a political party not too dissimilar to the Russians they so criticize. I'm not dim enough to argue that "you should fix all your problems at home before considering the wider world" but it's rather funny sometimes.

[Deleted]

t's really not hard to understand why backwards people support backwards policies.

Personal opinions gonna be personal opinions. What are the backward policies?

[GennGreymane]

Sorry but "Greymane Global Trends"? Are you like, starting a political blog on the MMOC forums?

Because I have nothing to do for the next expansion

Added to OP

Over time, however, Putin established order in the country while presiding over a booming economy as oil prices quadrupled under his watch. He began creating a repressive system of political, economic and social control to maintain his power. As he faced opposition, particularly in the parliamentary elections of 2011, Putin recognized that he needed more than just brute force to defeat his opponents. He needed an ideology of power and began articulating one in speeches, enacting legislation and using his office to convey adherence to a set of values.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn....e-of-putinism/

[Sunseeker]

Personal opinions gonna be personal opinions. What are the backward policies?

Limited liberty, strong leaders who don't leave office in a timely manner, state control of the media, heavy religious integration into the state, crackdowns on non-violent political protestors and minorities.

[fumblz]

Putin is near enough a dictator and freedom indexes actually have him down as one. It's terrifying and yes it's "spreading" but it was already there, it's just only gained more momentum recently and then with all the problems with Russia it's more in peoples minds. The problems were always there though. I do find it funny how Americans complain about it though, when near 50% of them vote for a political party not too dissimilar to the Russians they so criticize. I'm not dim enough to argue that "you should fix all your problems at home before considering the wider world" but it's rather funny sometimes.

Well considering less than 60% of the voting population even votes, (2012 election had 58.2% voter turnout rate) even if it was split 50/50 it would only equal to a total of roughly 30% of the population that votes for said party.
http://elections.gmu.edu/Turnout_2012G.html

[MerinPally]

Well considering less than 60% of the voting population even votes, (2012 election had 58.2% voter turnout rate) even if it was split 50/50 it would only equal to a total of roughly 30% of the population that votes for said party.
http://elections.gmu.edu/Turnout_2012G.html

Still a horrifyingly large number. Over here, our racist, sexist, stuck in the past, nationalistic equivalent got 1.9% and the slightly less but still awful version got 3.1% - we had 65% turnout, so our collective nutters only got 3.25% of the population backing - which is bad enough, 30%? Goddamn.

[Ninepenny]

They are all, in some way or another, different from and hostile to, modern Western values of individual rights, tolerance, cosmopolitanism, and internationalism.

Disgusting legacy of Frankfurt school. Keep it to yourselves, westerners.

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Also, what's your problem with countries like Hungary? People there via democratic means made their voices heard and they certainly don't need any "civilized progressive white men" to come down and teach those silly "aboriginals" how it needs to be done - keep your nose out of others business.

[Kraenen]

Personal opinions gonna be personal opinions. What are the backward policies?

So you're ready to invalidate everything you've said? ...

[Deleted]

Limited liberty, strong leaders who don't leave office in a timely manner, state control of the media, heavy religious integration into the state, crackdowns on non-violent political protestors and minorities.

Don't argue with Mooneye. Things she likes includes genocide and feminazism. She's like the perfect wife for Cybran.

Infracted - please post constructively

[Kraenen]

Disgusting legacy of Frankfurt school. Keep it to yourselves, westerners.

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Also, what's your problem with countries like Hungary? People there via democratic means made their voices heard and they certainly don't need any "civilized progressive white men" to come down and teach those silly "aboriginals" how it needs to be done - keep your nose out of others business.

Yeah don't you love oppression and dictatorship? What great values.

[cFortyfive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=8_3go4--cMk
Putin obviously is an unblemished democrat.

[fumblz]

Still a horrifyingly large number. Over here, our racist, sexist, stuck in the past, nationalistic equivalent got 1.9% and the slightly less but still awful version got 3.1% - we had 65% turnout, so our collective nutters only got 3.25% of the population backing - which is bad enough, 30%? Goddamn.

I completely agree. There is good news though, the newest generation (1990-2000 I forget what they are called) seems to be far less ignorant then previous generations. Not to mention the voters that the party relies on is rapidly becoming the minority. So there is hope !

[Deleted]

Disgusting legacy of Frankfurt school. Keep it to yourselves, westerners.

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Also, what's your problem with countries like Hungary? People there via democratic means made their voices heard and they certainly don't need any "civilized progressive white men" to come down and teach those silly "aboriginals" how it needs to be done - keep your nose out of others business.

Yet you want the mighty Russians to stuff their nose into those primitive Ukrainians business...