Can Ending the Drug War and Legalizing (All) Drugs Reduce Illegal Immigration?

[Wells]

Let's see how society would look if people used PCP as much as they use alcohol then, see how that would go down.

You're hedging. Alcohol is a dangerous drug that kills thousands and thousands of people every year. There is no argument against recreational drugs that should not include alcohol in a rational mind.

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You're hedging. Alcohol is a dangerous drug that kills thousands and thousands of people every year. There is no argument against recreational drugs that should not include alcohol in a rational mind.

Alcohol is nowhere close to the same potency as the drugs I want to make illegal or keep illegal.

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With other hard substances like amphetamines, as it has already been pointed out, their illegality isn't preventing people from doing it anyway. All that's happening is that a social issue is being handled as a criminal one. Making those substances legal isn't going to see some monumental rise in their consumption. The people that want to do meth/pcp/heroin are already on meth/pcp/heroin.

Or it could remain illegal and also provide care for those who use it, to get them off it.

[Shadowmelded]

Alcohol is nowhere close to the same potency as the drugs I want to make illegal or keep illegal.

Look into moonshine and homemade ciders.

[Deleted]

Look into moonshine and homemade ciders.

You're not going to die easily from it as you can from synthetic drugs.

[Wells]

Oh look another authoritarian wants to just ban things she doesn't like.

[Tradewind]

Or it could remain illegal and also provide care for those who use it, to get them off it.

Isn't that how its supposed to work now?

only it really doesn't...

you got kids serving jail time or probation for having personal consumption amounts and shit like that.

[Jokerfiend]

There's not one single reason why people leave their countries. You can't just narrow it down to "hurr, cartels and drugs make people leave".

What? Have you not been paying attention to what has been happening in Mexico?

They found a BUS full of people dead, and buried in a mass grave. The local government was in on it, more than likely, along with the Cartel. They burned down the local government builds and such.

Cartels are EXACTLY why people are leaving.

[Shadowmelded]

You're not going to die easily from it as you can from synthetic drugs.

And synthetic drugs wouldn't be an issue if the real thing which is significantly less dangerous than alcohol AND the synthetic drugs, was legal.

[Kaleredar]

I'm dubious the narcoterrorists prompting mass exodus from countries would just pack up and call it a day. Drugs aren't the only nefarious things they have their fingers in.

[Jokerfiend]

You're hedging. Alcohol is a dangerous drug that kills thousands and thousands of people every year. There is no argument against recreational drugs that should not include alcohol in a rational mind.

I don't like it when you right.

[Deleted]

Isn't that how its supposed to work now?

Eh, seems to be more about punishing people and then not minding them after that. Here you can get fined if you have cannabis and stuff for personal use unless you've been caught several times, which might get you some months prison. But after that? Yeah, they don't really follow up on stuff. If it's harder drugs they don't really follow up much on it either after the penalties.

[Wells]

I'm dubious the narcoterrorists prompting mass exodus from countries would just pack up and call it a day. Drugs aren't the only nefarious things they have their fingers in.

No of course not. It would be a fight still, but it would do a world of good in the fight.

[Tradewind]

I'm dubious the narcoterrorists prompting mass exodus from countries would just pack up and call it a day. Drugs aren't the only nefarious things they have their fingers in.

that and even though something is legal, there's still a black market for it. It's called smuggling. Just instead of avoiding narcs you're avoiding customs.

[Kasierith]

I'd be interested to see information on their cash on hand if you have it.

The Los Zetas in particular has integrated itself so thoroughly with the local government and other entities that the assumption that reducing profits from selling to American dealers would cripple the cartel would be fairly ludicrous, and based completely on supposition without an actual understanding of the current climate. There are other areas where they can exert their influence to maintain profit, such as guns, as well as their extensive oil siphoning operations in the past few years which have led to millions of dollars in losses, as well as making a market out of kidnapping and racketeering.

[Wells]

Eh, seems to be more about punishing people and then not minding them after that. Here you can get fined if you have cannabis and stuff for personal use unless you've been caught several times, which might get you some months prison. But after that? Yeah, they don't really follow up on stuff. If it's harder drugs they don't really follow up much on it either after the penalties.

What drugs exactly do you want to criminalize?

[Deleted]

What drugs exactly do you want to criminalize?

Most of them are already illegal here, but mostly drugs that can get you killed easily or cause injury on first tries. Would want to see cannabis be legal on the other hand for personal use since at most they'll just give you a small fine for it anyways, on the scale of going against red lights when there's no traffic(If even that high) and it's counterproductive when it's about the same as alcohol.

[Mahourai]

Most of them are already illegal here, but mostly drugs that can get you killed easily or cause injury on first tries.

But how will you work up the political will to ban alcohol again?

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But how will you work up the political will to ban alcohol again?

I've never said alcohol should be banned nor do I think cannabis should be. Harder drugs on the other hand should be.

[Mahourai]

I've never said alcohol should be banned nor do I think cannabis should be. Harder drugs on the other hand should be.

The joke is that alcohol "can get you killed easily or cause injury on first tries".

[Deleted]

The joke is that alcohol "can get you killed easily or cause injury on first tries".

You think most people who try alcohol are gonna drink enough to get deadly alcohol poisoning?