U.S. military proposes challenge to China Sea claims

[Deleted]

Always amazes me how some of these people are so enraged by the US's standing in the world that they just don't even care about the alternative. We can see examples of what happens when China or Russia are on top, just look at the dynamics in those local regions of the world where they have direct influence. China is bullying the other Asian countries in the region, claiming land, creating passports with all of Asia outlined as the map of China, government officials telling other countries directly "fall in line or else", etc... Russia is not much different in terms of treatment to all of its former Soviet buddies and neighbors. Do these people really want this on a global scale all just to spite the US? Pax americana is a real thing. The world has never seen such peace and prosperity in all of history as we see in modern day western civilization.

Yep. Acceptable losses as long as the US is no longer the top dog. If half the world has to burn, then so be it.

[Wildtree]

ahahahahahahahahahaha. Jesus Christ you are hopeless. ahahaa

what's funny about that now? He is 100% correct.
Only shows that the world has always been a shit hole. And currently we're in the least shit hole throughout human history.

[TooMuch]

Always amazes me how some of these people are so enraged by the US's standing in the world that they just don't even care about the alternative. We can see examples of what happens when China or Russia are on top, just look at the dynamics in those local regions of the world where they have direct influence. China is bullying the other Asian countries in the region, claiming land, creating passports with all of Asia outlined as the map of China, government officials telling other countries directly "fall in line or else", etc... Russia is not much different in terms of treatment to all of its former Soviet buddies and neighbors. Do these people really want this on a global scale all just to spite the US? Pax americana is a real thing. The world has never seen such peace and prosperity in all of history as we see in modern day western civilization.

The only one spouting bullshit here is you, with again a shitload of unsubstantiated claims. Forgetting all the warmongering the US is doing all over the world, forgetting that the US is the greatest bully of all. Invading countries where they have nothing to seek, starting civil wars in other countries, bombing countries or using drones. No country can compete with the US in that. The alternative would be much better (see, I can make the same unsubstantiated claims you make).

[Ulmita]

what's funny about that now? He is 100% correct.
Only shows that the world has always been a shit hole. And currently we're in the least shit hole throughout human history.

How is he right exactly? Please enlighten us.

[TooMuch]

Yep. Acceptable losses as long as the US is no longer the top dog. If half the world has to burn, then so be it.

Jordonus, were you talking about people being brainwashed. Check the posts of this guy. Half the world IS burning because of the US...

[Ulmita]

the only one spouting bullshit here is you, with again a shitload of unsubstantiated claims. Forgetting all the warmongering the us is doing all over the world, forgetting that the us is the greatest bully of all. Invading countries where they have nothing to seek, starting civil wars in other countries, bombing countries or using drones. No country can compete with the us in that. The alternative would be much better (see, i can make the same unsubstantiated claims you make).

bingo!!!!!

[jordonus]

The only one spouting bullshit here is you, with again a shitload of unsubstantiated claims. Forgetting all the warmongering the US is doing all over the world, forgetting that the US is the greatest bully of all. Invading countries where they have nothing to seek, starting civil wars in other countries, bombing countries or using drones. No country can compete with the US in that. The alternative would be much better (see, I can make the same unsubstantiated claims you make).

What warmongering are you talking about? Seeking justice in Afghanistan and clearing out the hornets nest at the request of the locals? Having the balls to remove a genocidal Iraqi dictator who openly used chemical weapons in an ethnic cleansing campaign, something everyone wanted and nobody was willing to do? Being concerned about a group of terrorists roaming the deserts and villages of countries like Syria, butchering journalists and innocent people in the name of their religion? Being concerned for the safety and well-being of all the allies and other countries in Asia-Pacific region of the world? in Eastern Europe? Please enlighten me with some specifics of what you are referring to.

[Independent voter]

We can see examples of what happens when China or Russia are on top, just look at the dynamics in those local regions of the world where they have direct influence. China is bullying the other Asian countries in the region, claiming land, creating passports with all of Asia outlined as the map of China, government officials telling other countries directly "fall in line or else", etc.

Leaving the current sanctions on Russia for the next 20 years or so, Russia will emerge from the sanctions so far behind that they never will be a problem again. Russia tried to start a Russian Silicon Valley which turned out to be a complete disaster as all the capable people left for jobs in the West, more of that to come.

China is up and coming and compared to the US, Russia has much more to worry about China than we do. China has claims to Siberia.

[Deleted]

What warmongering are you talking about? Seeking justice in Afghanistan and clearing out the hornets nest at the request of the locals? Having the balls to remove a genocidal Iraqi dictator who openly used chemical weapons in an ethnic cleansing campaign, something everyone wanted and nobody was willing to do? Being concerned about a group of terrorists roaming the deserts and villages of countries like Syria, butchering journalists and innocent people in the name of their religion? Being concerned for the safety and well-being of all the allies and other countries in Asia-Pacific region of the world? in Eastern Europe? Please enlighten me with some specifics of what you are referring to.

You forget that in their minds, if the US did it, then it is ok for Russia and China to do it as well.
Convenient that their military history hasn't been brought up, least their argument fall apart.

China is up and coming and compared to the US, Russia has much more to worry about China than we do. China has claims to Siberia.

And Mongolia, Russia's buffer state. Not to mention economic interests in Central Asia, where Russia is its only real competitor.

[Wildtree]

How is he right exactly? Please enlighten us.

Ask your history teacher.....
Or pick up history books.... Even better, use your internet access to more productive things than wasting your time on video game forums. You can do the latter when you got some catchup done lol

[TooMuch]

What warmongering are you talking about? Seeking justice in Afghanistan and clearing out the hornets nest at the request of the locals? Having the balls to remove a genocidal Iraqi dictator who openly used chemical weapons in an ethnic cleansing campaign, something everyone wanted and nobody was willing to do? Being concerned about a group of terrorists roaming the deserts and villages of countries like Syria, butchering journalists and innocent people in the name of their religion? Being concerned for the safety and well-being of all the allies and other countries in Asia-Pacific region of the world? in Eastern Europe? Please enlighten me with some specifics of what you are referring to.

What locals requested that in Afghanistan? None! The US even had the democratic elections go into a second round because their puppet wasn't elected. Remember Iraq? Basically NOBODY agreed with the false evidence of WMD's in Iraq. The situation in both countries have become worse than ever, just because the US thought they needed to intervene. How came Al Quaeda, Taliban, ISIS to be? Ah, because of the US. First by supporting those groups with weapons, then by removing any "local" force that could have stopped them. Let's talk about Libya ans Syria: countries where again the US supplied opposing groups with weapons to start civil wars. This didn't help, so what they do? Bomb the shit out of everything. Let's go to Yemen, using drone attacks without any valid reason. And we can continue with Africa and South America, but I guess your bullshit has been refuted enough already. It's amazing that things like JSOC exist, a paramilitary organization that is only accountable to the president and that get's funded trillions and trillions to do the dirty work.

The whole "war on terror" has increased terrorism in the world. There's no denying that.

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You forget that in their minds, if the US did it, then it is ok for Russia and China to do it as well.
Convenient that their military history hasn't been brought up, least their argument fall apart.

And Mongolia, Russia's buffer state. Not to mention economic interests in Central Asia, where Russia is its only real competitor.

Show us an example of Russia or China engaging in the same behavior the US does? You could find some, but the difference in scale is amazing.

[jordonus]

What locals requested that in Afghanistan? None!

The first sentence of your post and already a load of shit. The locals in Afghanistan requested the aid of the US in removing the Taliban's grip on the country before the Afghan war even began. They formed a coalition with the US in order to accomplish this task and the support among the Afghani people for removing the Taliban was extremely high. (an overwhelming majority)

The rest of your post is no different, more garbage, more buzzwords, etc...

[Independent voter]

Half the world IS burning because of the US...

Pax Americana, celebrating 60+ years of relative peace in the industrialized world. WW3 didn't happen, if you looked at the trend back in 1944 it should have.

And WW3 would've been a real war, not these tiny brush fires.

[vastx]

Read first couple of pages...US haters put in their place for being so horribly ignorant of the topic.

Read the last couple of pages...US haters have since shrugged off their ignorance as a no-matter and just deflected to America's somewhat questionable actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

As is tradition.

[TooMuch]

The first sentence of your post and already a load of shit. The locals in Afghanistan requested the aid of the US in removing the Taliban's grip on the country before the Afghan war even began. They formed a coalition with the US in order to accomplish this task and the support among the Afghani people for removing the Taliban was extremely high. (an overwhelming majority)

The rest of your post is no different, more garbage, more buzzwords, etc...

Ah, truth hurts. Everything I posted is the truth. But hey, I think Fox News is your main source of information.

[jordonus]

And WW3 would've been a real war, not these tiny brush fires.

I'd can agree with that. The increased globalization, mobility, and firepower would have made it a bloodbath. Everyone should be glad the astronomical power imbalance made it impossible.

[TooMuch]

Pax Americana, celebrating 60+ years of relative peace in the industrialized world. WW3 didn't happen, if you looked at the trend back in 1944 it should have.

And WW3 would've been a real war, not these tiny brush fires.

You must be really have a disconnect with reality if you think that we every were close to WW3, even without US trying to play world police. Let's look at today: we were never closer to WW3 BECAUSE of the US.

[jordonus]

Ah, truth hurts. Everything I posted is the truth. But hey, I think Fox News is your main source of information.

Everything you posted is the truth? Your first sentence was simply wrong. The Afghani people requested the aid in removing the Taliban's grip on the region before boots ever hit the ground, they formed a coalition with the US and various other western nations, and they accomplished their task. Afghanistan was given to the people again, the Taliban and affiliated groups were eviscerated, and the country has begun to rebuild. The overwhelming majority of people in Afghanistan support the removal of the Taliban. What they don't like is the long stay even though it may be necessary to further rebuild and clear out the guerrilla fighters butchering people in the countryside.

As for Iraq, it really doesn't matter what reason was used to sell the American people on the idea of paying for this. In the end, the guy was a genocidal dictator who had started an ethnic cleansing campaign with chemical weapons 20 years prior to the event and never stopped. People wanted him removed then and nobody would do it. What matters now is that he is gone and that the overwhelming majority of Iraqis supported his removal and felt that the hardships they endured during the initial war was worth his removal. Again, what they didn't like was the extended stay.

The people living in these regions didn't even find the wars to be unfavorable, what they had a problem with was the cleanup afterwards.

Also, I don't watch Fox news at all... but from your ignorant posts I can rest assured you're tuning into RT for your regular dose of anti-American propaganda.

Infracted. Keep it civil

[Ausr]

Read first couple of pages...US haters put in their place for being so horribly ignorant of the topic.

Read the last couple of pages...US haters have since shrugged off their ignorance as a no-matter and just deflected to America's somewhat questionable actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

As is tradition.

You should read the Ukraine thread with these 2 if you want to see whataboutism on a grand scale.

[TooMuch]

Everything you posted is the truth? Your first sentence was simply wrong. The Afghani people requested the aid in removing the Taliban's grip on the region before boots ever hit the ground, they formed a coalition with the US and various other western nations, and they accomplished their task. Afghanistan was given to the people again, the Taliban and affiliated groups were eviscerated, and the country has begun to rebuild. The overwhelming majority of people in Afghanistan support the removal of the Taliban. What they don't like is the long stay even though it may be necessary to further rebuild and clear out the guerrilla fighters butchering people in the countryside.

As for Iraq, it really doesn't matter what reason was used to sell the American people on the idea of paying for this. In the end, the guy was a genocidal dictator who had started an ethnic cleansing campaign with chemical weapons 20 years prior to the event and never stopped. People wanted him removed then and nobody would do it. What matters now is that he is gone and that the overwhelming majority of Iraqis supported his removal and felt that the hardships they endured during the initial war was worth his removal. Again, what they didn't like was the extended stay.

The people living in these regions didn't even find the wars to be unfavorable, what they had a problem with was the cleanup afterwards.

Also, I don't watch Fox news at all... but from your ignorant posts I can rest assured you're tuning into RT for your regular dose of anti-American propaganda.

First sentence is wrong? Just go look at Wikipedia. So now backup your claim, because you are wrong...
Ah, the reason doesn't matter, as long as the US wants it. Right... Where is the US in several African countries where even worse dictators are committing genocide?

You show the same stupidity most US posters do: if you criticize the US, you must be Russian or watch RT. Strange that the news sources considered most reliable are not from the US.

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