Are nudists relieved of laws around child pornography?

[IIamaKing]

Nudity != child pornography.

If they are selling these photos, Im sure they will fall under child porn laws.

[Night Wind]

But homo sapiens sapiens females are fertile from the point of first ovulation, and a homo sapiens sapiens males produce fertile sperm throughout the life, thus the mating could easily produce offspring regardless of male age.

Thus are homosexuals more evil, since their mating won't produce offspring in contrast to heterosexual pedophiles?

This discussion is a time machine and takes me back a good decade. I remember people asking back then: Imagine you popped a boner to a dark haired man's huge butt instead. Would you call yourself evil?


I asked for evidence, not your opinion and your comparison of sexual release to drug abuse.

Child birth is dangerous to very young females as their body hasnt fully developed to handle the stress.

Im talking about PEDOPHILES. Popping a boner to a GROWN MAN'S butt is quite different from popping a boner to a 10 year old's butt. I have nothing against gays. But Pedophiles get no sympathy from me.

[Drusyn]

If they are selling these photos, Im sure they will fall under child porn laws.

Nope that's not how that works. Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that CP isn't CP unless it's being sold?

[Vyxn]

If the child isn't being hurt, forced, maimed or otherwise placed in a sexually provocative pose or whatnot I can't really make an argument against it that doesn't tread ground on "Eww".

People beat off to my little pony, plastic figurines, worms all kinds of freaky shit.

If the intent is to sell these pictures to paedophiles directly then it might catch a distribution charge in certain countries and states.

But intent is the key and sole factor here in this example where no abuse has been proven and no exploitation has been proven.

you don't think that a pedophilia will stay satisfied just looking at harmless nudist pics of children you don't think after awhile it just wont arose him any more and he ends up getting into harder and harder kiddie porn
I know when I was younger looking at pictures in the sears catalogue of women in bras was enough for me to get aroused then after time that wasn't enough so found my dads playboys

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If the child isn't being hurt, forced, maimed or otherwise placed in a sexually provocative pose or whatnot I can't really make an argument against it that doesn't tread ground on "Eww".

People beat off to my little pony, plastic figurines, worms all kinds of freaky shit.

If the intent is to sell these pictures to paedophiles directly then it might catch a distribution charge in certain countries and states.

But intent is the key and sole factor here in this example where no abuse has been proven and no exploitation has been proven.

You didn't see the website in question?

They charge 150 bucks for a DvD of naked children.

[Vyxn]

But homo sapiens sapiens females are fertile from the point of first ovulation, and a homo sapiens sapiens males produce fertile sperm throughout the life, thus the mating could easily produce offspring regardless of male age.

Thus are homosexuals more evil, since their mating won't produce offspring in contrast to heterosexual pedophiles?

This discussion is a time machine and takes me back a good decade. I remember people asking back then: Imagine you popped a boner to a dark haired man's huge butt instead. Would you call yourself evil?


I asked for evidence, not your opinion and your comparison of sexual release to drug abuse.

when you was younger it took a lot less to get you aroused then it does now correct and over time it took more and more for the arousal correct?

[Deleted]

you don't think that a pedophilia will stay satisfied just looking at harmless nudist pics of children you don't think after awhile it just wont arose him any more and he ends up getting into harder and harder kiddie porn
I know when I was younger looking at pictures in the sears catalogue of women in bras was enough for me to get aroused then after time that wasn't enough so found my dads playboys

I'm not going to claim insight into the mind of someone who's a paedophile nor their habits or further development of their gratification.

But many people believed that weed was a gateway drug to harder compounds, that was proven incorrect.

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You didn't see the website in question?

They charge 150 bucks for a DvD of naked children.

No I didn't.

And I can't comment on the cost as I'm not familiar with what normal nudist DVD's sell for.

[gortz]

If the child isn't being hurt, forced, maimed or otherwise placed in a sexually provocative pose or whatnot I can't really make an argument against it that doesn't tread ground on "Eww".

People beat off to my little pony, plastic figurines, worms all kinds of freaky shit.

If the intent is to sell these pictures to paedophiles directly then it might catch a distribution charge in certain countries and states.

But intent is the key and sole factor here in this example where no abuse has been proven and no exploitation has been proven.

Give me an alternative reason why someone would want those pics/clips. There's no other intent to publicly share that material than pedophilia that I can think of.

There's a big difference between regular porn with adults or "freaky" shit like you suggest in that they're all full developed and conscious or incapable of feeling like plastic figurines. Children aren't and attraction towards them shouldn't be tolerated under some BS naturalist site. Someone can sit there staring and fantasising about molesting them or w/e totally isolated from any attitudes/protection at the actual camp. That is wrong.

I'd argue that since the children are not capable of consenting they are being exploited. They need protection.

[Deleted]

By the way, id like to see you compare the LBGT community to pedophiles to their face. I wonder how they would respond?

Honestly if you can't see the difference between 2 consenting adults of the same sex VS an adult who wants to have sex with a child, then there is no hope for humanity.

The funny part is that they'd at least understand it. Maybe not support it, but they'd understand it.
Unlike you.

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And I can't comment on the cost as I'm not familiar with what normal nudist DVD's sell for.

I don't think a nudist family is willing to pay 360$ per year to acces a picture gallery of 70k pictures of naked children.

[Underverse]

I'd argue that since the children are not capable of consenting they are being exploited. They need protection.

Protection from who, given by who, executed by who?

Parents are supposed to fulfill the role of protecting their children. And, given that we allow parents to make gobs of decisions for their kids, I don't see a moral precedent here, especially since, say, taking your kids to a nude beach, isn't harmful.

[Everwake]

LMAO, if people cant change what is the point of the prison system? A murdere will never change. What is the point of psychiatric therapy? A cheating wife or abusive husband will never change. What is the point of alcoholics anonymous? A drunk will never change.

right?

WRONG!

People CAN CHANGE.

Your equivocations are tiresome. Comparing sexuality to food preference and alcohol addiction is barely worth responding to. Please educate yourself on the matter rather than using arbitrary terms like "evil" (is a tiger evil for eating a baby?), because it just shows your argument to be unlettered.

[Vyxn]

I'm not going to claim insight into the mind of someone who's a paedophile nor their habits or further development of their gratification.

But many people believed that weed was a gateway drug to harder compounds, that was proven incorrect.

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sexual arousal is sexual arousal it doesn't make a difference what arouses you it is all the same mental mechanics
and over time what used to arouse you doesn't cut it any more and you end up having to get more explicit in what arouses you
it is why married couple have to spice things up to keep their sex life active because good old straight missionary position just doesn't cut it any more
well that same thing will go on in any sexual preference from straight to gay to pedophile the mental mechanics are all the same
so this is why that nudist pictures of children will eventually lead to hard core kiddie porn because the nudist pics just doesn't cut it anymore the pedophilia isn't getting the same sexual satisfaction from them any more

[gortz]

Protection from who, given by who, executed by who?

Parents are supposed to fulfill the role of protecting their children. And, given that we allow parents to make gobs of decisions for their kids, I don't see a moral precedent here, especially since, say, taking your kids to a nude beach, isn't harmful.

Protection from people that take photos and videos of them naked to sell/share, protection from sexual attitudes towards their underdeveloped bodies and minds and general protection to allow them to develop without some future blowback, deep regret or resentment towards their guardians/society.

Taking your kids to a nude beach to have their naked pictures taken, uploaded and sold or shared amongst pedophiles on some website is harmful.

[Everwake]

People can change sexual preference. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ma...on-is-possible

So you linked a study done by two Christian psychologists who work at two Christian colleges (Wheaton and Regent), and didn't bother to check whether their work was peer-reviewed outside of the "flock"? You just googled "is it possible to change sexual orientation" and rolled with it, didn't you? Yes, you did.

This is how bad science spreads. It's called "confirmation bias", and it's easier than ever with the advent of the internet, where anything can be true if you look hard enough.

[Vyxn]

So you linked a study done by two Christian psychologists who work at two Christian colleges (Wheaton and Regent), and didn't bother to check whether their work was peer-reviewed outside of the "flock"? You just googled "is it possible to change sexual orientation" and rolled with it, didn't you? Yes, you did.

This is how bad science spreads. It's called "confirmation bias", and it's easier than ever with the advent of the internet, where anything can be true if you look hard enough.

so if you cant change some ones sexual orientation what sort of treatment do we have for pedophiles? do we chemically castrate them so they have no sexual arousal of any kind? that would be a hell of away to go through life? do we allow them to look at nudist pics of children hoping it will stay enough to satisfy their urges and wont escalate to kiddie born then to rape of a poor child?

[Underverse]

so if you cant change some ones sexual orientation what sort of treatment do we have for pedophiles? do we chemically castrate them so they have no sexual arousal of any kind that would be a hell of away to go through life? do we allow them to look at nudist pics of children hoping it will stay enough to satisfy there urges and wont escalate to kiddie born then to rape of a poor child?

Pedophiles are like gun owners. They all like kids (guns), but only some of them go out and molest (murder) people.

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Protection from people that take photos and videos of them naked to sell/share, protection from sexual attitudes towards their underdeveloped bodies and minds and general protection to allow them to develop without some future blowback, deep regret or resentment towards their guardians/society.

Taking your kids to a nude beach to have their naked pictures taken, uploaded and sold or shared amongst pedophiles on some website is harmful.

I agree with most of what you say, but then we don't legislate against a wide array of parental behaviors that have a much higher chance of breeding resentment.

[Vyxn]

Pedophiles are like gun owners. They all like kids (guns), but only some of them go out and molest (murder) people.

satisfying you urges to own a gun isn't illegal satisfying your sexual urges for children is

[Kithelle]

I have no problem with nudist or nudity in general...but I always thought it was odd that adults would include children in nudist activities...

[Underverse]

satisfying you urges to own a gun isn't illegal satisfying your sexual urges for children is

Uh, no, thought crimes are not illegal.