{Help} Mage DPS - Fire

[Apaylo]

Hello,

We have a mage in the guild running 2 pc T19 (raid finder/normal) pieces and doesn't want to upgrade to 920 ilvl off set items. Is he not playing the class optimally?

Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&fight=14

Armory: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ch...uralyon/ablast

Thank you,

[Zenfoldor]

2p t19 isn't that important for fire. Only reason not to wear it as frost is if you have the cs helm but not the bracers. Your mage performed at 94% of his ilvl. Granted he has a shit ilvl, but that number is still the key here. Honestly, I can't see the 860/880 gloves/shoulders as hurting his dps to the point that it is noticable. I think there would be a small jump, but much of it is negated by the advantage(albeit small) the t19 gives you as fire.

You could sim with and without the set, and find out for sure, but again, the difference is not gonna be as significant as you would think for fire, imho.

As far as his gear pathing, he really needs the owl trinket. It would be a huge dps increase for him, since it stacks with his cooldowns. Maybe swap that neck enchant and the 150 ring. Lastly, getting the scorch belt would be a jump I imagine.

Sisters is quite a suck fight for fire, so take that into consideration as well, if only looking at sisters.

Edited: On further review, he's got a 98% overall ranking for every pull you guys did:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...&view=rankings

That means he's on point. He's 50% overall fire mage at 904 ilvl, so maybe I should be asking him how to play.

[gallamann]

Fire lives and dies by crit, you need a crit to proc HU and then can use Fire Blast or Phoenix Flame to force that into a HS which allows you to cast an instant pyro which may or may not crit.

What 2pc T19 does is add 20% to every Enhanced Pyrotechnics stack, making it 30%. Meaning with 2pc you can be at 40.01% crit and worse case get a crit in 3 fireball casts, without 2pc T19, you could potentially go 7 fireball casts to get a crit.

You also need to remember those Legendary Bracers layer RNG on top of existing RNG. It procs from using Hot Streaks, HS's are dependent on crits to create. Then outside of Combustion, those bracer procs may or may not crit. So most pulls, be average, some pulls due to no procs will be awful, others due to many procs will be awesome. Personally hate bracers due to layered RNG they create, it's entirely too possible to kill 4-5 farm bosses and every one of those pulls suffer from shitastic bracer procs and have low DPS as a result.

RNG has also eluded them in that they don't have legendary belt. That is a crit engine <30% boss HP.

They could try using Firestarter over Pyromaniac, delay combust until boss is <90% hp's

[Deleted]

Fire lives and dies by crit, you need a crit to proc HU and then can use Fire Blast or Phoenix Flame to force that into a HS which allows you to cast an instant pyro which may or may not crit.

What 2pc T19 does is add 20% to every Enhanced Pyrotechnics stack, making it 30%. Meaning with 2pc you can be at 40.01% crit and worse case get a crit in 3 fireball casts, without 2pc T19, you could potentially go 7 fireball casts to get a crit.

You also need to remember those Legendary Bracers layer RNG on top of existing RNG. It procs from using Hot Streaks, HS's are dependent on crits to create. Then outside of Combustion, those bracer procs may or may not crit. So most pulls, be average, some pulls due to no procs will be awful, others due to many procs will be awesome. Personally hate bracers due to layered RNG they create, it's entirely too possible to kill 4-5 farm bosses and every one of those pulls suffer from shitastic bracer procs and have low DPS as a result.

RNG has also eluded them in that they don't have legendary belt. That is a crit engine <30% boss HP.

They could try using Firestarter over Pyromaniac, delay combust until boss is <90% hp's

crit is not THAT much important.
40% is ok, you need haste and mastery as well, so, don't focus too much on the primary stat.
You depict a possibility of having 7 fireballs in a row that do not crit. This is not happening anyway.

chances of NOT having a critical hit on fireball without 2p T19 and 40% crit, assuming you cast them in a row :

1st fb : 60%
2nd fb : 30%
3rd fb : 12%
4th fb : 3.6%
5th fb : 0.72%
6th fb : 0.072%
7th fb : 0%

Meaning that most of the time, you have a crit on second or third fireball.
real bad luck if you need to wait for the 4th one.

It is more interesting to have a decent score of haste to cast fireball faster than trying to have 50 % crit or more. The same for T19. I would say that 10 Ilvl on parts that could be changed should be enough to change stuff.

[Zenfoldor]

crit is not THAT much important.
40% is ok, you need haste and mastery as well, so, don't focus too much on the primary stat.
You depict a possibility of having 7 fireballs in a row that do not crit. This is not happening anyway.

chances of NOT having a critical hit on fireball without 2p T19 and 40% crit, assuming you cast them in a row :

1st fb : 60%
2nd fb : 30%
3rd fb : 12%
4th fb : 3.6%
5th fb : 0.72%
6th fb : 0.072%
7th fb : 0%

Meaning that most of the time, you have a crit on second or third fireball.
real bad luck if you need to wait for the 4th one.

It is more interesting to have a decent score of haste to cast fireball faster than trying to have 50 % crit or more. The same for T19. I would say that 10 Ilvl on parts that could be changed should be enough to change stuff.

Also, with the belt and firestarter most people are using, crit is devalued a bit. I still stick by my assertion that the t19 2p isn't vital for fire like it is for frost, and not worth losing 6-7 ilvls over. In the example in the OP, the guy is like 905 and pulling GREAT numbers for his ilvl, but if he got rid of the t19 2p, he would be 6-7 ilvls higher and doing about the same/not much more dps(since the 2p negates a bit of that gain). So in a way, he could up his ilvl by a lot from bags but his dps wouldn't grow that much. Is it better to parse lego at a low ilvl or parse epic at a decent ilvl?

[Bosanova321]

how much of a dps increase are the best legos for fire?

[Zenfoldor]

how much of a dps increase are the best legos for fire?

Depends on what you are comparing them to and on what fight.

Best for single are belt and bracers, and they are huge. Hero ring can replace one or the other and you can still survive in raids. Gloves are passable if you have no other options and don't have the belt, but it really drops off past that.

Of course the "best" lego is the db helm, but it kinda sucks for single target. IMHO it makes a fire mage a fire mage this xpak.

[fiestatastic]

Hello,

We have a mage in the guild running 2 pc T19 (raid finder/normal) pieces and doesn't want to upgrade to 920 ilvl off set items. Is he not playing the class optimally?

Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&fight=14

Armory: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ch...uralyon/ablast

Thank you,

Based on these logs, it looks like they're playing it about as optimally as they can ... looking through your logs it seems like they're one of your best players.

Sisters is a bad fight for fire. tbh based on what you posted, you should be in the hunter forums asking what's wrong with your forever grey parsing bm hunters, and should just be ditching your warlocks and consistently below 10% spriest.