alleria turalyon thousand years

[Logwyn]

for the emprah

There's another franchise that screwed around with their lore as well

[snitcher geralt]

Turalyon and Alleria are lying, but since the 1000 years thing can't be verified by anyone else and has literally no impact on anything in the story besides letting them say "One THOUSAND years!!", none of the other characters have bothered to point out that they're blatantly bullshitting us.

the blacksmith says he hasn't forged that key in a millenia
that chick who the robot teacher thing at the clown college hates is the last person the blacksmith forged the key for

there are a few things that point to 1000 years being how long it's been for all of them

[rhorle]

10K years in the Nether = 10K years on Azeroth.

It doesn't clearly state ten thousand in the nether is the same as on Azeroth. Archimonde has been waiting ten thousand years of Azeroth time which doesn't comment on the time passage of the nether. Also given that Alleria is hinted at being on Alt Draenor it could be a thousand years through out various dimensions. No ret cons needed. I wish people would stop over using that word.

[Aquamonkey]

It doesn't clearly state ten thousand in the nether is the same as on Azeroth. Archimonde has been waiting ten thousand years of Azeroth time which doesn't comment on the time passage of the nether. Also given that Alleria is hinted at being on Alt Draenor it could be a thousand years through out various dimensions. No ret cons needed. I wish people would stop over using that word.

It's from his perspective; Archimonde waited 10k years. Your logic would mean Alleria is mistaken and should have said they were fighting the Legion for 21 years.

Also, Alleria says they've been fighting the Legion "across the stars". Stars are not in the Twisting Nether, they're in the Great Dark beyond.

[rhorle]

It's from his perspective; Archimonde waited 10k years. Your logic would mean Alleria is mistaken and should have said they were fighting the Legion for 21 years. Also, Alleria says they've been fighting the Legion "across the stars". Stars are not in the Twisting Nether, they're in the Great Dark beyond.

My logic says that you don't have proof of your statement. That is all it says. Just because it is his perspective doesn't mean it indicates how time flows in the nether in relation to outside of it. The War of the ancients was how many years ago? Exactly.

http://www.emence.com/images/wow/scr...ta/Outland.jpg

The image screen shot for a google search of "Wow outlands screenshots". Outland exists in the Twisting Nether and thus there are stars and planets visible from it. Again what you claim is proof is hardly anything but speculation.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/File:TwistingNether_WoD.jpg another depiction of the nether that shows stars.

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https://youtu.be/kSta1mjzzuc?t=1103

The Hunter Artifact line also has it stated that time is meaningless in one part of the Nether. Time flows differently. You don't have any proof that is has been a retcon that they stated that now.

[Aquamonkey]

My logic says that you don't have proof of your statement. That is all it says. Just because it is his perspective doesn't mean it indicates how time flows in the nether in relation to outside of it. The War of the ancients was how many years ago? Exactly.

Yes, 10k years. Archimonde waited 10k years while sitting in the Nether; while 10k years passed outside the Nether. Outland is in the Nether and time flows the same there as it does on Azeroth. In Rise of the Horde, Centuries pass the same within and outside the Twisting Nether between the Arch/KJ and the Draenei.

http://www.emence.com/images/wow/scr...ta/Outland.jpg

The image screen shot for a google search of "Wow outlands screenshots". Outland exists in the Twisting Nether and thus there are stars and planets visible from it. Again what you claim is proof is hardly anything but speculation.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/File:TwistingNether_WoD.jpg another depiction of the nether that shows stars.

You can see into the Great Dark from the Nether because it bleeds into the Great Dark. That doesn't mean those objects are in the Nether.

While normally imperceptible to mortals, the Twisting Nether bleeds into the physical realm. That’s because Outland is truly devastated. Those seen in Outland are most likely other (far away) worlds that you see and not “local” celestial bodies. (Loreology)

[GreenJesus]

If that place is "timeless" then how do they know it was 1,000 years and not 10,000?

[rhorle]

Yes, 10k years. Archimonde waited 10k years while sitting in the Nether; while 10k years passed outside the Nether. Outland is in the Nether and time flows the same there as it does on Azeroth. In Rise of the Horde, Centuries pass the same within and outside the Twisting Nether between the Arch/KJ and the Draenei.

You have proof he sat in the Nether all of that time? It could be referring to the passage of time outside of the Nether while he sat in the Nether. Since regardless of the time flow in the Nether outside will still have been ten thousands years between his invasion attempts. Crazy right? That 10,000 years where flows normal is 10,000 years.

Your little snippit of information doesn't have any context to where Archimonde experienced those 10,000 years. Or if it is referring to Nether Time or Non-nether time.

You can see into the Great Dark from the Nether because it bleeds into the Great Dark. That doesn't mean those objects are in the Nether.

Outland exists in the Nether. Other legion worlds exist in the Nether. You can see stars and non-nether planets from inside the nether. Nothing about saying you fought the legion across the stars means you never could have been in the nether while doing it. Nothing you have mentioned proves any of the point you are trying to make.

[BobAwesome]

That makes even less sense.

People need to understand that it's because of the nether, no bullshit excuse, that's the lore now.

lol how so? The LIGHT keeps them living.

[Aquamonkey]

It could be referring to the passage of time outside of the Nether while he sat in the Nether. Since regardless of the time flow in the Nether outside will still have been ten thousands years between his invasion attempts. Crazy right? That 10,000 years where flows normal is 10,000 years.

Except it is Archimonde's perspective. It's his personal experience and motivations. "In his heart of hearts"... "he seeks"... "After ten thousand years of waiting, he is prepared" ... "he is committed" ... "he may have"

You might have a point if it said, "After ten thousand years of waiting, Azeroth is ripe for invasion once again."

You have proof he sat in the Nether all of that time?

Your little snippit of information doesn't have any context to where Archimonde experienced those 10,000 years. Or if it is referring to Nether Time or Non-nether time.

The Nether is merely the Legion's base of operations... and the location from which they launch their assaults. But if 21 years = 1000 years in the Nether, that means Archimonde spent almost zero time in there for him to experience 10k years in 10k years of Azeroth time.

Rise of the Horde shows Arch and KJ chilling in the Nether while their minions scour the universe and report back.

Also, people can look into the Nether through portals and see them moving at regular speed (The Sundering).

Outland exists in the Nether. Other legion worlds exist in the Nether. You can see stars and non-nether planets from inside the nether. Nothing about saying you fought the legion across the stars means you never could have been in the nether while doing it. Nothing you have mentioned proves any of the point you are trying to make.

I never said they couldn't be in the Nether. Taken in isolation, their fighting the Legion doesn't necessitate them solely being in the Nether the entire time. The Legion regularly invades worlds within the Great Dark, it's basically their mission. But maybe the AotL didn't bother with those and only fought Legion worlds in the Nether.

https://youtu.be/kSta1mjzzuc?t=1103

The Hunter Artifact line also has it stated that time is meaningless in one part of the Nether. Time flows differently. You don't have any proof that is has been a retcon that they stated that now.

I already know about the hunter artifact quest.

Everything prior to Legion showed time running the same inside the Twisting Nether as it did in the physical universe.

[Specialka]

People can't even understand a simple sentence. Awesome!

[Aquamonkey]

People can't even understand a simple sentence. Awesome!

More like Blizzard can't even understand their own writing. Turalyon and Alleria were retconned to have separated from Khadgar and gone missing during the destruction of Draenor.

[Specialka]

Yes, they have, and so only 30 years (give or take, how many years between WC2 and legion?) have passed for them, as it did for us.

[Destinas]

Because this is the first time it has actually occurred and it is contrary to what had been previously depicted. Everything prior to Legion showed time running the same inside the Twisting Nether as it did in the physical universe.

That may be, but there are also clues that they haven't been entirely in our universe since the destruction of Draenor. When Turalyon and Alleria avoided Draenor's destruction, they went through a portal to a world "they could barely make sense of" - which is fairly in-line with what was mentioned in both Chronicle and Beyond the Dark Portal. Though, of course, they came back to Draenor after that. It's entirely possible they returned to that world, or a different plane entirely, after the Dark Portal closed.

There's also the Cowled Ranger in WoD. We find a silver-lined arrow in the alternate Shadowmoon Burial Ground, which is thought to be Alleria's. The ranger states that the arrow is high elven, and that she thinks Alleria had come to the alternate Draenor through the Twisting Nether, though she also says that she's not sure if that's even possible. Since the Burning Legion fights across all timelines and dimensions, it's possible the Army of the Light has gone through different dimensions as well. It would stand to reason that time has passed oddly for Archimonde and other demons due to their multiverse travel in the Nether, which of course transcends all realities. Imagine how it would seem to mortals, in that case. Alleria was on Niskara at some undisclosed point, and it's mentioned that time moves strangely there, as well.

It's also entirely possible that the Twisting Nether moves in different speeds in different places. It could not affect Outland as much as Niskara, for instance. But, I would agree that it seems like something Blizzard said to sound cool in Legion.

[Aquamonkey]

That may be, but there are also clues that they haven't been entirely in our universe since the destruction of Draenor. When Turalyon and Alleria avoided Draenor's destruction, they went through a portal to a world "they could barely make sense of" - which is fairly in-line with what was mentioned in both Chronicle and Beyond the Dark Portal. Though, of course, they came back to Draenor after that. It's entirely possible they returned to that world, or a different plane entirely, after the Dark Portal closed.

The new stuff with Khadgar meeting up with Turalyon and Alleria on Vindicator indicates that they lost track of each other the moment Draenor was destroyed. This retcons TBC and Beyond the Dark Portal where they escaped the destruction through the same portal and immediately returned to Outland for 3 years before T&A disappeared.

Archmage Khadgar says: It is good to see you again, my firends. When I couldn't find you after the devastation of Draenor, I wasn't sure what to think.
High Exarch Turalyon says: We feared for you as well, Khadgar. But I think part of me knew it would take more than the explosion of a planet to slow you down.

[rhorle]

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1...eria-turalyon/

Here is the official answer. I await complaints of Retcon.

[Aucald]

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1...eria-turalyon/

Here is the official answer. I await complaints of Retcon.

Can't really be a retcon if there was no pre-existing continuity for this set of events beforehand - this whole "thousand year" arc is kind of a story-in-a-bottle, in a sense. It allows for a great deal of character growth and events to occur in an acceptable time frame without causing a disturbance to the existing time frame of the WoW story. Personally I don't think it's quite necessary but it also doesn't disrupt anything by its existence, either; it sort of just *is*.

[KrakHed]

Basic reading issue. They joined the Lightforged, but it was them (a.k.a the lightforged) that waged war for 1000 years. Turalyon and allerya only joined them at WC2.

Nope. New story literally says time travels differently in different parts of the Nether. Also.

"Even Xe'ra knew it. But she could not see how we escaped. She could not see that it was the Shadow that would save us."

Story suggests that the Lightforged cannot see the actions of the Shadow or receive dark visions.

...because they are not free...

[Aquamonkey]

Can't really be a retcon if there was no pre-existing continuity for this set of events beforehand - this whole "thousand year" arc is kind of a story-in-a-bottle, in a sense. It allows for a great deal of character growth and events to occur in an acceptable time frame without causing a disturbance to the existing time frame of the WoW story. Personally I don't think it's quite necessary but it also doesn't disrupt anything by its existence, either; it sort of just *is*.

It along with the in-game dialogue directly conflict with TBC and Beyond the Dark Portal.

Alleria stepped beside him, her eyes shining. He squeezed her hand tightly. Turalyon glanced over at Khadgar, who nodded, his young eyes crinkling in an approving smile. The paladin again looked toward his men. They were still worried. Still unsure. But the despair and panic were gone.
"This world will be what we choose to make of it."
“Come on,” Turalyon said, and pointed to Honor Hold. “Let’s go home.”
--Beyond the Dark Portal

[Aucald]

It along with the in-game dialogue directly conflict with TBC and Beyond the Dark Portal.

Alleria stepped beside him, her eyes shining. He squeezed her hand tightly. Turalyon glanced over at Khadgar, who nodded, his young eyes crinkling in an approving smile. The paladin again looked toward his men. They were still worried. Still unsure. But the despair and panic were gone.
"This world will be what we choose to make of it."
“Come on,” Turalyon said, and pointed to Honor Hold. “Let’s go home.”
--Beyond the Dark Portal

If I recall correctly, Alleria and Turalyon were lost in the Nether well before this audio bits were ever released. That aspect of the story is mostly unchanged - so if there is a retcon, it occurred well before this newer information.