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It's the same thing that happened in TBC and WOTLK with rating required PVP gear during the Hyjal/BT T6 tier. Real PVPers wanted the gear available to all for the sake of a level competitive field and PVEers used them as stop-gap gear for when big dragon refused to drop x weapon or whatever. The 5/6 SSC 3/4 TK people were the ones that cheered loudest.

The whining about catering to casuals only comes from middling players in mediocre guilds. The bleeding edge players are always ahead and doing things that the bottom 95% won't be able to do and what others can do, they've already done it months ago.

Originally Posted by Brett Skullcrack

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

I understand and respect gaming masochism. But, I think that changing mechanics to be more reasonable and less punishing is an improvement, not a detriment, to games in general.

It's amazing how Blizzard, or at least these guys currently working on WoW, don't understand gaming at all. It's not about masochism or punishing content, it's about providing an artificial challenge of increasing difficulty. Video games since the beginning have had levels that get increasingly difficult, meaning that to get further and see more you need to improve your skills at the game. Yes if you jump straight to the last level it may seem like punishing and unreasonable, but that's just because you haven't gained the skills necessary to reach that level yet.

What you are responding to isn't about dumbing down content, it's about making the game more accessible. The person that Blue responded to was QQ'ing about month's long grinding being removed. There is no skill involved in that. As matter of fact, the game play being requested, that Blizzard is moving away from is very similar to how Runescape was designed which is played by hundred's of thousands of 10 year olds.

The skill level required for Cataclysm 5 mans and raiding is higher then it's ever been. So what was it that you were whining about?

Anyone have any idea when 4.1 will launch?

The skill level required for Cataclysm 5 mans and raiding is higher then it's ever been.

No, Classic and BC were way harder. It's just harder than WotLK. But now, everythings once more nerfed to the ground.

So what was it that you were whining about?

That there is nothing to do besides raiding?
Maybe raiding is cool, yeah.

But overall, this game is much too easy.

Originally Posted by Quackie

Dailyblink gets it right again. I'm happy about the extra rewards for tanks. The downside is we are going to see an influx of bad players who think they can tank or heal.

People, if you're a drooling DPS, for the love of God please stick to it and don't try to tank and heal. You'll only irritate other players by wasting their time.

No it doesn't since you only get goodies AFTER killing the last boss. No way in hell a bad tank can pull that off

I was really looking forward to cata, the leveling was great and the raids were alright but Ive just gotten soo bored with them and so have quit. Blizz will probably entice me back at a later date when maybe pvp's more balanced but for now they aint getting me money, now to find something else to play.....

Originally Posted by zeralol

No, Classic and BC were way harder. It's just harder than WotLK. But now, everythings once more nerfed to the ground.

Oh the joy of doing heroic arcatraz, who gives a fuck about difficulty if the dungeons suck, the dungeons in cata for the most part are the most fun dungeons they've ever released.

Oh the joy of doing heroic arcatraz, who gives a fuck about difficulty if the dungeons suck, the dungeons in cata for the most part are the most fun dungeons they've ever released.

Arcatraz heroic was very challenging. You felt great after completing it, because not every player could do so easily. Nowadays, it's nothing special to finish a 5 man dungeon. You join a group and after 20 minutes it's clear.

WoW should be harder, thats it.

He he Dailyblink, well played.

And it definiatly looks like we're headed for the end of TBC and WoTLK again....... Say goodbye to some challenging dungeons that required some brainpower, say hello to more "FARM FARM FARM FARM LOLOLOLOLOLOL" and say hello to even more braindead players.

Originally Posted by zeralol

Arcatraz heroic was very challenging. You felt great after completing it, because not every player could do so easily. Nowadays, it's nothing special to finish a 5 man dungeon. You join a group and after 20 minutes it's clear.

WoW should be harder, thats it.

The true challenges in WoW are found in the heroic raids, which, according to you, you don't want to do, so I don't know how else Blizzard can help you. Try out Ascendant Council on heroic mode and tell me that WoW is too easy.

Also, do you guys remember how difficult the heroics were at the start of the expansion or did you forget already?

Guess that means I'll get Extinct Turtle Shell, Pterrordax Hatchling and Ancient Amber whilst I dig for the recipe for vial of the sands, for the 5th month running.

*sigh*

Originally Posted by lekein

Why no flight in Ghostlands? is too much to ask for?

Nooooo how dare blizzard not spend weeks of time working on flight in the ghost lands (adjusting Deathholme, fixing the mountain issues, adding the ZA to the world physically as well as adding all the remaining troll lands that exist in the lore but are left out) so that I can spend 5 minutes afk'd flying over it! Those monsters, I needs to fly over all the starting zones on my end game Toon to show the noobs how awesome I am, its the only reason I play the game! Delaying such a thing, I totally program and understand how much work goes into things so that justifies my right to bitch about delaying a feature.

/sarcasm

I also enjoy looking gift horses in the mouth. When it comes to games and coding things are more complicated than they appear to someone who doesn't understand the work that goes into these things. Bugs often arise, Blizzard isn't a group of wizards that summon things from thin air out of magic and willpower. They use math, thousands of lines of code, programs designed in house to adjust things. Stuff doesn't always sink up. I hate people that bitch about things that they can't do that don't understand what goes on behind the curtain. What SEEMS like something thats easy, just isn't always possible without weeks of work for 25 people, time and money better spent on designing new dungeons/raids, new zones/events thats what the world team does, they could just recycle MC instead of the firelands and have spent more time fixing ghost lands for you... or they could have made the firelands. It's the same guys doing both, so what would you prefer, flying over Ghostlands or Recycled MC, what do you think would cause more bitching.

Originally Posted by Sonneillon

Nooooo how dare blizzard not spend weeks of time working on flight in the ghost lands (adjusting Deathholme, fixing the mountain issues, adding the ZA to the world physically as well as adding all the remaining troll lands that exist in the lore but are left out) so that I can spend 5 minutes afk'd flying over it! Those monsters, I needs to fly over all the starting zones on my end game Toon to show the noobs how awesome I am, its the only reason I play the game! Delaying such a thing, I totally program and understand how much work goes into things so that justifies my right to bitch about delaying a feature.

/sarcasm

I also enjoy looking gift horses in the mouth. When it comes to games and coding things are more complicated than they appear to someone who doesn't understand the work that goes into these things. Bugs often arise, Blizzard isn't a group of wizards that summon things from thin air out of magic and willpower. They use math, thousands of lines of code, programs designed in house to adjust things. Stuff doesn't always sink up. I hate people that bitch about things that they can't do that don't understand what goes on behind the curtain. What SEEMS like something thats easy, just isn't always possible without weeks of work for 25 people, time and money better spent on designing new dungeons/raids, new zones/events thats what the world team does, they could just recycle MC instead of the firelands and have spent more time fixing ghost lands for you... or they could have made the firelands. It's the same guys doing both, so what would you prefer, flying over Ghostlands or Recycled MC, what do you think would cause more bitching.

path of titans says hello

Guild lvling says hello

Dancing studio says hello

voice chat says hello ( but you can barely hear anything)

well they might as well recycle MC, cos most of the raids are prity much the same anyway.

Originally Posted by Sonneillon

/sarcasm

I wouldn't' call it sarcasm, more hysteria.

Originally Posted by Sonneillon

I also enjoy looking gift horses in the mouth. When it comes to games and coding things are more complicated than they appear to someone who doesn't understand the work that goes into these things. Bugs often arise, Blizzard isn't a group of wizards that summon things from thin air out of magic and willpower. They use math, thousands of lines of code, programs designed in house to adjust things. Stuff doesn't always sink up. I hate people that bitch about things that they can't do that don't understand what goes on behind the curtain. What SEEMS like something thats easy, just isn't always possible without weeks of work for 25 people, time and money better spent on designing new dungeons/raids, new zones/events thats what the world team does, they could just recycle MC instead of the firelands and have spent more time fixing ghost lands for you... or they could have made the firelands. It's the same guys doing both, so what would you prefer, flying over Ghostlands or Recycled MC, what do you think would cause more bitching.

I think you don't understand what's going on with this. There is no coding involved, and its not hard - what is required is time, and the sooner the get working on it, the sooner they will be back with that they have promised people.

Originally Posted by scvd

Now that everyone else is catered to from archeology, lets see some god damn agility items.

Archaeology is not meant to be a gear farm.

The true challenges in WoW are found in the heroic raids, which, according to you, you don't want to do, so I don't know how else Blizzard can help you. Try out Ascendant Council on heroic mode and tell me that WoW is too easy.

H: Ascendant Council Jan 20, 2011 19:00 world:12 eu:7 realm: 1 1400.00 / 1500.00



i don't say raids are too easy. just besides raiding there is nothing to do.

Originally Posted by Brett Skullcrack

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

I understand and respect gaming masochism. But, I think that changing mechanics to be more reasonable and less punishing is an improvement, not a detriment, to games in general.

It's amazing how Blizzard, or at least these guys currently working on WoW, don't understand gaming at all. It's not about masochism or punishing content, it's about providing an artificial challenge of increasing difficulty. Video games since the beginning have had levels that get increasingly difficult, meaning that to get further and see more you need to improve your skills at the game. Yes if you jump straight to the last level it may seem like punishing and unreasonable, but that's just because you haven't gained the skills necessary to reach that level yet.

Dumbing down the game has been happening since WotLK because a large part of the players and designers are not gamers. They're people who fuck around Sims or Farmville and who think just paying for the game means they should get a free ride through it. And that's fine if Blizzard actually stated what they're doing up front: "There's a lot more money being made from the Facebook 'gamers' than real gamers so that's who we will develop for." But they don't have the balls to admit that.

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

We've made a lot of progress toward striking that balance and continuing to evolve the game, but it's not something we're ever likely to perfect, and we'll be constantly working to hit that elusive goal.

Even the designers themselves admit they're not skilled enough to get it right. Do they think their customers want to keep paying monthly to see them "try their hardest"? Fuck no, if you can't get it right then quit and let Blizzard hire people who can get it right - they've had plenty of these people in the past.

haha.....u are just stoned and u are prolly just thinking that u talk smart....in real this all is a big bunch of crap. Not worth commenting even

lol why do people always demand tanks be well-geared? They go to dungeons to get geared...stop being asses.

Originally Posted by zeralol

Arcatraz heroic was very challenging. You felt great after completing it, because not every player could do so easily. Nowadays, it's nothing special to finish a 5 man dungeon. You join a group and after 20 minutes it's clear.

WoW should be harder, thats it.

That's just your ignorance showing then. Arcatraz heroic was balanced for players already in T4 115/120 epic gear not players in 115 blues.

That's just your ignorance showing then. Arcatraz heroic was balanced for players already in T4 115/120 epic gear not players in 115 blues.

So? I don't see such instances nowadays.
And besides that, you WERE able to clear Arcatraz HC with blue gear. Sure thing.