WoW Token Releases April 7 in the US - $20 or 30k Gold

Originally Posted by hardtotarget

I read all this comments..and looks like most ppl miss what Blizzard say in blue post - "set at a starting price", so 30k gonna by starting price for 48H auction. I doubt you can go to AH and just spend all your gold buy out 10 tokens for 30k each ^^

that's exactly what it means ... assuming there's enough tokens listed. starting price means price is gonna change in intervals depending on supply/demand. but during this first 'interval' you can sure as hell buy for 30k a pop

Is it gonna be released on wednesday for EU tomorrow?

Originally Posted by Zekayn

Is it gonna be released on wednesday for EU tomorrow?

No you must wait at least a month for undisclosed reasons.

Anyone else surprised they did not do this before end of March for Q2 report btw?

EU servers completely broken after todays patch. GZ Blizzard you useless mthfkrs...

imho

1 i don`t think it`s anyway against botters\sites that sell gold-they will sell gold just cheaper.
2 i think it just afflect users that don`t even buy gold cos someday blizz say that it`s "illigal" lol yeah illigal show me at what Us low it`s illigal?aha
3 blizz just want to be directly on gold market to make prices
4 yeah all about money if someone don`t know- blizz have taxes from botters(yeah when they bann 1 acc botter will buy 2nd acc and pay direclty to blizz 5-10-20$ depends on botter skills) so blizz already have their gold sells in that way_ just with taxes.here be same.but for all market so we will see 2 markets of gold and both controlled with prices over tokens buy blizz
and all gold in game between seller(botter that sell for $ or player that sell for token)and buyer be controlled by blizz
so just economy.just market capitalism and money.nothing more

Good that one without an active sub will be able to purchase them.

Originally Posted by xindralol

that's exactly what it means ... assuming there's enough tokens listed. starting price means price is gonna change in intervals depending on supply/demand. but during this first 'interval' you can sure as hell buy for 30k a pop

But it very well could be that there simply are not any to buy during the first interval. I don´t think very many people are going to spend $20 for 30k. It may turn out that they sell out very fast, and it won´t be until Blizzard updates the prices ( to a higher price) that more people spend real money to buy tokens.

And that will lead to two questions. First off, is Blizzard REALLY doing these things 1v1? Does someone really have to buy a token for real money before someone can buy it from the AH... if so, I really think we are going to have a situation where people are refreshing the AH constantly waiting for one to show up. And second, How quickly, and how wildly will Blizzard let the prices swing? If these things sell out quickly, how quickly will Blizzard update the price on the cash-shop to entice more people to spend real money, and if these things are selling out 1 second after showing up on the AH, will Blizzard allow the price to skyrocket the first few days, or will it only gradually increase.

My personal guess is that tomorrow there are going to be a ton of disappointed buyers who find out that the tokens are not showing up because they are being bought instantly.

@ Azrile

that's what I'm curious about too ... it's super easy for them to 'fix' things - put in more tokens or take some out of the circulation - especially since they already pay the difference (you always get the amount of gold promised when you list the auction even if price changes after ie even if it's 1 : 1 the buyer of your token might pay less)

Originally Posted by xindralol

@ Azrile

that's what I'm curious about too ... it's super easy for them to 'fix' things - put in more tokens or take some out of the circulation - especially since they already pay the difference (you always get the amount of gold promised when you list the auction even if price changes after ie even if it's 1 : 1 the buyer of your token might pay less)

My guess is that it is not directly 1v1, if there is demand but nobody is paying real money for the tokens, they will plant some on the AH, and then increase the rate on the cash-shop, and then when they get buyers on the cash-shop, not plant them right away. Overall it will be 1v1, but they will pre-sell some tokens on the AH until buyers on the cash-shop appear and they will use the amount of pre-sold tokens on the AH as an indication to how quickly and how high they must put the gold value on the cash-shop to meet that demand.

I don´t think they would ever put tokens on the AH on their own though, that would cost them real money.

Example

10 people want to buy tokens for 30k
0 people want to sell tokens for 30k.
Blizzard plants 10 tokens on the AH for 30k and raises the cash-shop price to 50k
10 people go to the cash-shop and buy the tokens and receive 50k for them.

10 people bought tokens for cash, 10 people bought tokens for gold. Overall it is 1v1. Yes, in this case Blizzard ´created´ gold that is going into the economy, but remember, the entire USA is buying/selling together, so more than likely that extra 20k gold per token will end up on 10 different servers, so no big deal.

And once the price of these things stabilize, and we have a real supply/demand intersection, it won´t even be necessary to do this.

I am pretty sure you won't see a token listed as an individual item. Blizzard us going to set the price based on how many are buying, and how many are selling.

The cash buyer will always get his gold. The token buyer will always get their token.

It will be the set half of Wildstar's system, not where the player could set buy or sell orders at a price they determine, but at some algorithm with a seed of 30k.

This serves both the purpose of draining gold when there is no supply, and obtaining a premiuim fee for effectively selling gold when there is high demand.

First of all: for those of you who have doubts or questions regarding how the wow token works (if you can buy it with gold from an account A and use it to get time on an account B, for example), you can log into the wow forums and create a thread in the Customer Support forum. Even if your account is frozen you can post there, and they'll solve your problems.

Regarding the price... Objectively speaking and considering the WoW token tab in the AH is region wide, meaning it's the same for all servers, the price is pretty fair. Low populated realms will have far less sleeping gold than overpopulated realms. Therefore, the price of the wow token can't go higher when starting; it would be impossible for low populated realm players to buy a token. However, as soon as the gold gets balanced, realm level speaking, the price will start raising.

For those who play on US servers, please keep us update on price dynamic when your servers go up Thanks!

Originally Posted by Insofin

First of all: for those of you who have doubts or questions regarding how the wow token works (if you can buy it with gold from an account A and use it to get time on an account B, for example), you can log into the wow forums and create a thread in the Customer Support forum. Even if your account is frozen you can post there, and they'll solve your problems.

Regarding the price... Objectively speaking and considering the WoW token tab in the AH is region wide, meaning it's the same for all servers, the price is pretty fair. Low populated realms will have far less sleeping gold than overpopulated realms. Therefore, the price of the wow token can't go higher when starting; it would be impossible for low populated realm players to buy a token. However, as soon as the gold gets balanced, realm level speaking, the price will start raising.

This actually make a whole lot of sense.

suddenly, thousands and thousands of people decided to bot to farm gold for a free sub.

does blizzard even think about this stuff?

30k seems to be quite low. I could buy more than 3 years of wow straight away which would be some serious real money. But if the price stays around 40k i will be happy.

Originally Posted by Moradim

suddenly, thousands and thousands of people decided to bot to farm gold for a free sub.

does blizzard even think about this stuff?

And I would think that Blizz would have and probably might (just might) be on the look out for Bots and then followed up by the BanHammer to said accounts..

Originally Posted by drujt

30k seems to be quite low. I could buy more than 3 years of wow straight away which would be some serious real money. But if the price stays around 40k i will be happy.

You should take into account the token is region wide. It's not server wide, and it's not that easy to get 30k/month on all servers. Low populated ones have poor AHs, have less people farming/grinding and therefore, less gold income aka slower gold fluctuation than highly populated ones. Gold in small servers is more valuable than gold in huge overloaded servers.

Reading how about all you people talk about how "easy" it is to farm 30k gold, there is no way you can do it in less time than I can "farm" $20. I am not alone and the price is going to spike to 50k because of gold hoarders then plumment to 20k within two weeks as us people with jobs flood the market with tokens. AH prices for everything are going to go up up up - heaven for you AH addicts.

Originally Posted by grexly75

And I would think that Blizz would have and probably might (just might) be on the look out for Bots and then followed up by the BanHammer to said accounts..

No, that's not how they work and never will. It's just ridiculous, bots have been around long before the tokens were added to the game. It generally takes about 3-6 months before they start banning players. They don't just ban one person because they use a bot, it takes time and they don't want the bot developers to know what caused the ban in the first place. Blizz could add a new detection algorithm(haha, ye not likely) and if they started banning people right away the bot developers could find a loophole and all of the sudden the new detection barely made any difference. This is why they do large bans every now and then. Don't be surprised if you see the same bot running around outside your garrison for 3 months - I know I'm not. By the time they do get around to banning these bots it's too late, that's the worst part they've already affected the game in a very bad way and often pissed of legit players doing quests or farming materials.

<edit> Anyways, I suspect shaddy players will be selling tokens at the auction house as well, they already sell pet/mount codes using hacked credit cards. How Blizz will deal with this should be very interesting to see. What if someone buys a token using a hacked credit card, they put the token up at the AH, it sells and that's it. If it was a mount or pet Blizz would just remove it from the buyers account and call it a day. How are they going to deal with the tokens?