Complexity Limit Claims World First Ny'alotha!

Originally Posted by IIamaKing

Nope, not annoyed, Do yourself a favor, don't conflate one posters attitude with anothers. I dont really care what people discuss, but IMO a guild clearing the new raid isnt news. Nothing more. Nothing less.

If you go to any news site, you will always find news that doesn't interest you. The best you can do is ignore them. This may not be news to some (PvP players come to mind), but it is news to others (high-end raiders mostly, maybe not all either, but a good portion). I used to go to a website back in TBC times that was dedicated mostly to just providing news on which guilds cleared which bosses/raids first. This is important, because a raider only knows his/her value relative to how he or she compares to other players. Website was called World of Raids (WoR). It covered other types of WoW news too, but it was a site mostly dedicated to high-end raiders who wanted relevant news. Also, doing LFR doesn't qualify you as a high-end raider for the record....

Originally Posted by Akasha64

If you go to any news site, you will always find news that doesn't interest you. The best you can do is ignore them. This may not be news to some (PvP players come to mind), but it is news to others (high-end raiders mostly, maybe not all either, but a good portion). I used to go to a website back in TBC times that was dedicated mostly to just providing news on which guilds cleared which bosses/raids first. This is important, because a raider only knows his/her value relative to how he or she compares to other players. Website was called World of Raids (WoR). It covered other types of WoW news too, but it was a site mostly dedicated to high-end raiders who wanted relevant news. Also, doing LFR doesn't qualify you as a high-end raider for the record....

Doesn't matter wow is not only about raiding now but to each there own.

So cool, method have some serious rival :P

Originally Posted by Softbottom

who said I was mad? I am more annoyed by all the useless news mmo champ posts these days. This site is terrible now.

They've followed and congratulated the WF winner in every tier for as long as I can remember, this is nothing new.

Originally Posted by IIamaKing

Nope, not annoyed, Do yourself a favor, don't conflate one posters attitude with anothers. I dont really care what people discuss, but IMO a guild clearing the new raid isnt news. Nothing more. Nothing less.

So stop talking about it already...

Originally Posted by Softbottom

who said I was mad? I am more annoyed by all the useless news mmo champ posts these days. This site is terrible now.

MMO-Champion has always reported on world firsts. Because it's news. Related to WoW...

Originally Posted by Softbottom

who said I was mad? I am more annoyed by all the useless news mmo champ posts these days. This site is terrible now.

MMOC has been covering world first since before you made your account it is news and it is a big deal for alot of the raiding player base.

Originally Posted by Wavebossa

My mistake, I confused you with softbottom. I apologize

No worries.

Originally Posted by justflayin

i know what he's implying. and its been over 16hrs which is what the difference is. so i'd love to see what the excuse is at this point.

There is no excuse I just thought a world first by a NA guild always has that asterisk if an EU guild kills the boss immediately after because the NA guild had more time. Imho it's actually awesome someone else got World First simply because it means the competition is still alive. If Method got every single World First at some point there wouldn't be a race anymore. Thanks to Method we can follow those races now while they happen instead of getting an end result.

Originally Posted by Smeller

There is no excuse I just thought a world first by a NA guild always has that asterisk if an EU guild kills the boss immediately after because the NA guild had more time. Imho it's actually awesome someone else got World First simply because it means the competition is still alive. If Method got every single World First at some point there wouldn't be a race anymore. Thanks to Method we can follow those races now while they happen instead of getting an end result.

Well they still haven’t killed him yet right? Doesn’t seem like time was the reason lol

wow great!

Originally Posted by GenericDifference

Congrats to Limit.
Part of me hopes Method kill him within the next half day so we can have the First vs Fastest debate and hopefully get Blizz to consider simultaneous launches.

Is there even a debate? World first is determined by kill time relative to when the raid goes online in your region. There is no argument to be made otherwise.

It's actually quite pathetic for people to seriously (note: I know trolls will use anything to instigate anything) use the 16 hour head start to discredit Limit. Yes, ideally it may be better to globally launch the patch, but then people will just move the goalpost to another argument (playing time) to invalidate another guild's success. It's the same when people use the excuse of "NA can't dayraid as much because of job requirement". Yes, that might be true, but it is very hard to quantify all of those elements and in the end you just need to stop talking about it.

Not to mention that the 16h headstart doesn't even matter nearly as much, if at all, if the leading guild is feeding strategy and ideal class comp to lagging guilds, on top of needing to deal with pugs much earlier and longer than lagging guilds.

This shows how much stronger Method (and EU guilds in general) are in past tiers, because they can having a later start, get to final boss first and feed strat, and still come out on top. But in this tier, they were just outmatch in every single aspect and there isn't a SINGLE element outside of their control that prevented them from taking world first: Limit simply played better in the entire tier, and especially on N'zoth.

Originally Posted by david0925

It's actually quite pathetic for people to seriously (note: I know trolls will use anything to instigate anything) use the 16 hour head start to discredit Limit. Yes, ideally it may be better to globally launch the patch, but then people will just move the goalpost to another argument (playing time) to invalidate another guild's success. It's the same when people use the excuse of "NA can't dayraid as much because of job requirement". Yes, that might be true, but it is very hard to quantify all of those elements and in the end you just need to stop talking about it.

Not to mention that the 16h headstart doesn't even matter nearly as much, if at all, if the leading guild is feeding strategy and ideal class comp to lagging guilds, on top of needing to deal with pugs much earlier and longer than lagging guilds.

This shows how much stronger Method (and EU guilds in general) are in past tiers, because they can having a later start, get to final boss first and feed strat, and still come out on top. But in this tier, they were just outmatch in every single aspect and there isn't a SINGLE element outside of their control that prevented them from taking world first: Limit simply played better in the entire tier, and especially on N'zoth.

How is it discrediting a kill if you just hold out with the announcement of world first until every time zone had the same time on the content as the guild which got the kill? It's more like validating that they got the kill because they were better not because they had more time.

Discrediting would be if someone said "Limit only got the kill because they 16 hours longer." and if that person is right.

Originally Posted by Smeller

How is it discrediting a kill if you just hold out with the announcement of world first until every time zone had the same time on the content as the guild which got the kill? It's more like validating that they got the kill because they were better not because they had more time.

Discrediting would be if someone said "Limit only got the kill because they 16 hours longer." and if that person is right.

Because there's other factors that we have talked about to death besides server launch, because of streaming.

If we want to have a race for the sake of a race and science, then sure, we can just have all the racing guilds turn off their stream so lagging guilds cannot learn from leading guilds, and then we can do exactly as you say, but right now the effect of a head start is very controversial because lagging guild, especially at that caliber of play, is going to close the gap very quickly by learning from leading guild's streams. But i think a "closed race" is also not entertaining.

Originally Posted by GenericDifference

Congrats to Limit.
Part of me hopes Method kill him within the next half day so we can have the First vs Fastest debate and hopefully get Blizz to consider simultaneous launches.

Blizzard don't even has to do that. They just should do an official kill timer when raid is opened starting at each region release. And the trully fastest guild get official WF recognition from Blizzard on twitter.

Boom, "problem" fixed with no game change at all.

A race with a ~15hours ? (Accounting for time zones ?) headstart without anyone acknowledging it is stupid, no matter how you watch it.

Originally Posted by IIamaKing

Nope, not annoyed, Do yourself a favor, don't conflate one posters attitude with anothers. I dont really care what people discuss, but IMO a guild clearing the new raid isnt news. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The world first race is easily the most followed event and most important news on this page except for news regarding major patches and expansions.

You are ofc entitled to your opinion, even if that opinion is wrong by definition.