Class Tuning and Adventures Companions Updates

wow assasination has been buffed with a total of 19.07% since shadowlands release, might be worth to try out once i get a pair of daggers.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...gregate=amount

...where's the Arcane Mage buffs?

Originally Posted by msdos

Based on the design of Blood DK from Legion til now, I really don't think they play the game. They remove stuff, re add it, remove it, re add it, over and over and over again because they don't know what they're doing.

A lot of the BDK talents haven't been pickable for 3 expansions, they nerfed and pruned everything that was good, even things we needed like Blood Mirror or the old version of Foul Bulwark (for some reason BDK isn't allowed to have a big health pool, they're essentially not allowed to be good at anything). Then in the next expansion they turn around and buff their damage because the talents are so over nerfed. It doesn't make any sense and caused me to abandon the spec after like 5 expansions.

It's like the people who design the talents and the balance team don't communicate and don't work in the same building and neither of them play the class.

And yet melee are destroying in PVP right now. Its pointless even picking up a caster unless you balance druid. Melee is totally dominating in BGs and Arenas.

Originally Posted by Raugnaut

So this is how Ventyhr/Kyrian players felt i guess.

Wow...yeah like I'm an extremely casual player, but I did think it was really f***ing weird that my (Venthyr) level 20 companions still weren't enough to fight a level 12 rare campaign. Now I know that was like...not intended to be that stupid. Jeegis.

Originally Posted by Firebert

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...gregate=amount

...where's the Arcane Mage buffs?

if you swap to mythic theyre in the middle of the pack.. so i guess theyre "fine", dunno why theyre so bad on normal/heroic mode.

Originally Posted by mojusk

if you swap to mythic theyre in the middle of the pack.. so i guess theyre "fine", dunno why theyre so bad on normal/heroic mode.

Mythic sample sizes are pathetic.

Originally Posted by Sorshen

100% or more adjustments on some followers... you know they fucked up the whole mission table during beta.

3% on specs that are 10-20% behind ain't gonna do shit.

It's not a percent of the overall spec it's a percent to each individual ability which will add up more than just a flat percent increase of each ability for example is more than just a % applied to the class which is what they're doing they don't just do a flat buff across the class they individually increase each ability which Nets more of an increase overall.

Originally Posted by Raugnaut

They basically murdered Night Fae table. Suddenly I'm failing missions that I was previously able to complete, heroes are almost dying/dead on missions that barely scratched them, and on the harder missions in which only 1-2 enemies were left with 10% health each none of them are dying.

So this is how Ventyhr/Kyrian players felt i guess.

The big problem is im basically stuck now i cant do a single follower quest because the quests are all way higher than my guys now. Luckly its just on an alt but im sure a ton of others will be unable to progress anymore.

@Unholyground
eeh no, amplifying everything has the same outcome as splitting everything into smaller bits, then amplifying them and then adding them back together.
(1+2+3)*2=12
(1*2)+(2*2)+(3*2)=12

Originally Posted by Raugnaut

They basically murdered Night Fae table. Suddenly I'm failing missions that I was previously able to complete, heroes are almost dying/dead on missions that barely scratched them, and on the harder missions in which only 1-2 enemies were left with 10% health each none of them are dying.

So this is how Ventyhr/Kyrian players felt i guess.

Yup every single mission id have my guys dead or almost dead. Sometimes waiting an extra day to do more so I dont pay 1500 anima to heal my guys.

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Originally Posted by Raugnaut

I've literally failed two lvl 32 missions due to this change. My troops are lvl 35. I have 11 companions above lvl 30, with the ones below lvl 30 being those I've recently acquired.

Night Fae companions were basically equivlent to Ventyhr/Bastion companions. It was the nearly-permanent -80% damage done debuff that allowed Night Fae to be almost as strong as Maldraxxus, who laughs at lvl 60 missions with their lvl 25 compansions.

It's an unwarranted nerf straight up.

I mean no it isn't unwarranted an 80 dmg redux thats permanent was beyond broken. Nothing Venthyr or Kyrian could come close to that. Having you in line with us is expected now to bring Mald back down

Originally Posted by Maruka

The big problem is im basically stuck now i cant do a single follower quest because the quests are all way higher than my guys now. Luckly its just on an alt but im sure a ton of others will be unable to progress anymore.

You can progress in terms of XP - All missions have base XP that they give regardless of success rate. I'll just keep doing this until they either buff the Night Fae companions to be on par with everyone else (Night Fae was almost completely reliant on the trappers, their companions were on par with Venthyr and Bastion), or until I hit lvl 60 on all my companions.

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Originally Posted by erifwodahs

Well, I needed lvl 32 - 35 companions to complete soul ash, lvl24 mission with confidence after actually planning. So idk how was that equivalent to NF, who were doing Soul Ash like 3-4 resets before Venthyr or Bastion.

As mentioned before, it was because of the Trappers, who provided a constant -80% damage done debuff to all enemies. As Maw missions are pretty much pure damage, it made them fairly easy.

Keep in mind that Maldraxxus was doing them nearly a full reset before Night Fae were.

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Originally Posted by Vampyrr

Yup every single mission id have my guys dead or almost dead. Sometimes waiting an extra day to do more so I dont pay 1500 anima to heal my guys.

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I mean no it isn't unwarranted an 80 dmg redux thats permanent was beyond broken. Nothing Venthyr or Kyrian could come close to that. Having you in line with us is expected now to bring Mald back down

They brought Night Fae down to pre-buff Venthry/Kyrian. Kyrian/Venthyr should now be on par with Maldraxxus, if not a good bit above them.

Originally Posted by NordWitcher

And yet melee are destroying in PVP right now. Its pointless even picking up a caster unless you balance druid. Melee is totally dominating in BGs and Arenas.

So basically you're saying Blood has been getting nerfed over and over because of PVP? That's the only way that response makes sense, as I was talking about a tank spec..... smh.....

Assassination needs targeted buffs to rupture and garrote to improve our cleave, we're being left out of mythic+ atm due to outlaw outperforming us on ST and AoE.

Bm and SV 5% total joke, BM needs more like 15-20% buff. Also where are resto druid buffs?

Originally Posted by Unholyground

It's not a percent of the overall spec it's a percent to each individual ability which will add up more than just a flat percent increase of each ability for example is more than just a % applied to the class which is what they're doing they don't just do a flat buff across the class they individually increase each ability which Nets more of an increase overall.

Nope.. thats not how that works

Originally Posted by Maruka

The big problem is im basically stuck now i cant do a single follower quest because the quests are all way higher than my guys now. Luckly its just on an alt but im sure a ton of others will be unable to progress anymore.

You'll have to do what everyone else had to do, fail and get the measly exp from that.

Can someone buy a calculator for blizzard?
Destro being back ~15% behind affi in ST. Chaos Bolt hitting like a wet noodle. 5% extra damage is such a lazy, useless buff. Buff CB for 25% on top of the 5%. They are on the bottom right now on many bosses. I mean really, the bottom on warcraft logs.

Originally Posted by Nythiz

This kind of toxic and polarizing thinking is what ruins the game.
NF shouldn't be punished because blizzard didnt get Kyrian and Venthyr in order.

Says the probably NF. I'm not saying they should stay unbalanced. but I'm not gonna gripe if it takes them a similar two months to sort it out as it did for Blizz to place a simple % buff on Ky and VE, either.

Originally Posted by zachie

Now you're just pulling numbers out of thin air, yes hunters need a bunch of work to make the other 2 specs viable, but you underestimate how bad destro is...

Well, SPriest is 5th, so I guess my class can't be that bad?

Good to know

Originally Posted by Toybox

Fury is a bit more complex a fix than you give it credit for. Our AoE damage is potentially ridiculous at times, & any buff to our ST is also a buff to our AoE. A 20% buff would see good Fury Warrior's potentially pushing close to 10k overall in M+... And still being average (at best) in single target raid encounters It's a shit position to be in.

They could just revert to Legion-style Fury, but I doubt we'll see anything like that given how stubborn Blizzard can be at times.

Tune down the Whirlwind effect if that's an issue, from 45% to 40% and then further down if said issue persists, but I rather doubt it will. Our entire AoE setup depends on the magnitude of that effect.

Besides, our AoE while good is still really not to the absurd levels of MM or Boomkin... the latter of which also dominate the ST charts.