Are you denying that the body reacts to trauma by releasing pain relievers?
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None - we dont have to listen to what those who invent it claim it does. We can test it. And find out - hey, there is a reason this helps against pain. Just like medicinal herbs aren't magical even though their historical connotation said so.
No, I haven't tried any of that crap.
Well having been paid to do medical studies in focus groups I can speak first hand that you are indeed paid for your opinion. Some people think if they don't say the product is good they wont get asked to come back for further focus groups. Believe what you want, once again I am giving you first hand experience.
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Edit: No these are usually 3rd party independent companies not "pharma shill" or w/e conspiracy theory you are dreaming of.
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I don't think I have enough time to inform you how clinical trials work. They're not focus groups, to say the least, and whatever you've dreamed up about 3rd party companies isn't even in the ballpark.
This is a great example of why not everyone should have an opinion on a topic.
I'm not denying that reaction.
I am saying that proper trials have shown that acupunture has no more impact than randomly sticking needles in someone...
Acupunture is totally unregulated, and uncontrolled, there are no qualifications, there is no professional body to register with, at least nothign that actually stands up to proper scrutiny. Acupuncture can be very dangerous, and can lead to serious complications, and yet people advocate letting what amounts to some stranger off teh street stick needles in them? Seriously?
No, go see a decent doctor, get a physiotherapy referral if you need to, dont accept beign fobbed off with a referral to a quack that is at best a placebo and at worst dangerous.
I don't think that goes far enough. Whether we're talking about acupuncture, chiropractic, homeopathy, or anything similar, we know the "magic" doesn't exist, we know the inventors' ideas were wrong -- so why even consider using these as methods of treatment for anything? I see no rational basis to justify doing so. Fuzzy, specious claims of efficacy are spectacularly insufficient.
Acupuncture is latin and litterally means needle puncture.
It would result in more impact if you insert the needles near sites of pain rather than as you say - randomly.
The same happens with tattoo artists. They stick needles in you as well. With ink.
It has been shown that the insertions of needles make the cells release adenosine which is a pain killer. So it works as pain relief. It doesn't work because of Chi but there are a great many things which has been explained by magic until science.
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I simply must disagree with placing chiropractors and acupuncture in the same group as homeopathy. The former at least manipulates the body while the latter merely makes you ingest water devoid of anything.
We should test historical remedies simply because they happen to have survived this long. We test it to see if there actually is something going on beneath the wishful thinking.
If I invented a remedy that could cure cancer and i said it was due to magic and apparently the people taking the remedy were cured on a scale that warranted investigation should the remedy not be tested regardless of original inventors claim? It could very well be a certain innocuous ingredient were blocking gene sites that made the cancer cells stop reproducing or whatever.
Historical remedies, as you say, are tested. That is why chiropractors, acupuncture and homeopathy are a load of BS. Real medical professionals will not recomend these 'treatments' because they simply dont work. The only reason nothing happens to the people performing them is sheep. Sheep! people are sheep and will follow blindly with no regard for facts presented and as a result because some girl called Jane got her friends doing these and they swear by it, it spreads. When in reality is just a placebo effect.
Actualy shows very nicly how wrong practices will live on thru peoples own personal prejudices.
Whut? Magic and chi...let me get my book of healing spells out and make copies for my local doctor, they have been doing it wrong.
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Im a Med student and I dont really use belief when I express my opinion about this. Im saying that as with any injury to the body pain relieving chemicals will be administered. Several of you repeatedly mention chiropractors and homeopathy as if they were somehow connected or that i had expressed anything other than disdain for those practices.
Its very simple. Stuff can work for reasons other than claimed by those using it.
When trials show that acupuncture causes a release of adenosine in the surrounding tissue then I see it having potential. Not because of what those who use it says it does. But because I just saw that it caused a release of a pain relieving chemical from the cells.
Last edited by Catta; 2013-01-28 at 12:16 AM.
I never tried it, but I heard some people says it works.
http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/...l/nn.2562.html
I beg to differ.