Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
No, you haven't established how they're thematically the same. You just presented the case that suborders within a class can follow different methods, while retaining the same theme.
Demon Hunters and Warlocks do not share the same theme. Evidence is in the fact that Warlocks are frail spellcasters who use demon minions, while Demon Hunters are shadowy warriors. A difference in motivation is on top of the difference in themes.
Immolation drains a resource, that being Mana. Immolation also does not pulse damage, while Hellfire does. The range of Hellfire is arguably larger radius as well. Immolation Aura works like Fire Nova Totem.Immolation burns surrounding enemies. Immolation Aura burns surrounding enemies. Difference?
Which proves what? They share an ability. There is no rule saying two classes can not share a spell.Which would still be the same ability, no matter what the source of it is. See how lore means little?
Are you suggesting Druids and Priestess of the Moon are the same class for having Starfall?
Demon Hunters do not have demonic minions. If they were to be a playable class, this would be even further the case. There is no lore suggesting that they have minions. The only Demon Hunters who did enslave demons were the Illidari, and they were the bad guys.They also share the demonic theme, up to the point of even both having demonic minions.
It wouldn't be like a Mage picking up a sword, it would be like a Mage stopping the use of magic and learning to fight like a Warrior. That's what a Warlock needs to do to become a Demon Hunter.Not even close. A Mage for example wouldn't become a Warrior simply because he could equip a 2H sword.
Yet, that's all it would take for a Warlock to mirror a Demon Hunter.
Dark Apotheosis displays this clearly. Warlocks are able to Tank using this form, and it is effectively known as Warlock Tanking. If this was truly being a Demon Hunter as you describe, then why are Warlocks still never referred to as Demon Hunters? It's obvious that they are not the same class.
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Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
My top 3 solutions for demon hunter lovers
3. Play Diablo 3
2. Pretend your favorite class is called demon hunter
1. Shut up... Seriously just shut up about it.
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
Dark Apotheosis disproves that entire post. Sorry.
Isn't that a bit picky? Clearly Immolation Aura comes from Aura of Immolation which in itself came from Illidan via Well of Eternity.Immolation drains a resource, that being Mana. Immolation also does not pulse damage, while Hellfire does. The range of Hellfire is arguably larger radius as well. Immolation Aura works like Fire Nova Totem.
They share the defining Demon Hunter ability. It would be like Shaman getting Storm Earth and Fire from the Brewmaster.Which proves what? They share an ability. There is no rule saying two classes can not share a spell.
Priestess of the Moon isn't a class, and will never be a class because Druids and Hunters occupy their design space.Are you suggesting Druids and Priestess of the Moon are the same class for having Starfall?
However to answer your question, Priestess of the Moon are combinations of Druids and Hunters. So partially yes.
Nice contradiction there. We have both Demon Hunters AND Illidan using demonic minions in battle during TBC. That's canonical lore.Demon Hunters do not have demonic minions. If they were to be a playable class, this would be even further the case. There is no lore suggesting that they have minions. The only Demon Hunters who did enslave demons were the Illidari, and they were the bad guys.
Illidari are Demon Hunters. Illidari Demon Hunters enslaving demons indicates that Demon Hunters have and do enslave demons. In other words, its part of their theme.
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There's that, GC's tweet, and the pretty blatant Warlock=DH connection that Blizzard has been constructing for the better part of a decade.
your the only one making a connection THAT DOESNT EXIST. blizzard would never admit to having plans for something because the would be constantly bothered by people asking when its coming and complaining that it isnt showing up soon enough. like character models
them saying they have no plans means the can keep secret until its time to release it.
its that bloody simple.
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
Are you going to outright ignore the presence of DH abilities in both the Warlock and Rogue classes? What about Illidan becoming a source for Warlock abilities and lore? No other future WoW class had their lore, abilities, and theme purposely siphoned out to existing classes like Demon Hunters did.
And it sort of makes sense when you consider that even the concept's name bars it from entering the game as a stand alone class.
It's no more picky than differing Death Knights from Warlocks having Death Coil in name and spell icon.
From a lore standpoint it is a defining ability. And it can be worked around by giving new gameplay mechanics, such as using Metamorphosis as it exists in Heroes of the Storm. The gameplay of that ability would fit in WoW's gameplay much more for a melee-centric fighter such as the Demon Hunter. Lore-wise, it retains obvious similarity to Warlocks, but it would be differentiated by Warlocks only having the ability to take that form in one spec, while Demon Hunters have it for all specs.They share the defining Demon Hunter ability. It would be like Shaman getting Storm Earth and Fire from the Brewmaster.
Tyrande is a Priestess of the Moon, and if you are to assert all those who use Starfall are Druids, then you are are labeling Tyrande as a Druid. Priestess of the Moon may not be a playable class, but it is referred to autonomously by their own titles.Priestess of the Moon isn't a class, and will never be a class because Druids and Hunters occupy their design space.
No contradiction at all. Zeliek is a Death Knight able to use Holy magic, by all means you are asserting that because he is able to use Holy magic that the entire theme of Death Knights is now Holy magic. Logical fallacy.Nice contradiction there. We have both Demon Hunters AND Illidan using demonic minions in battle during TBC. That's canonical lore.
Illidari are Demon Hunters. Illidari Demon Hunters enslaving demons indicates that Demon Hunters have and do enslave demons. In other words, its part of their theme.
Using exceptions as examples does not bring the Demon Hunter class any closer to Warlocks. If you want to RP your Warlock as an Illidari Demon Hunter who learned his Metamorphosis from Illidan, then you can do so. It doesn't make the exceptions to the rule any more applicable to the Night Elf Demon Hunters, whom a DH Player Class would be based off of.
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illidan BECAME A DEMON. anything related to demon hunters and him gets throw out the window. rogues have 1 spell and warlocks have 1 maybe 2 spells. there is no overlap. you only see overlap BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SEE IT. you want to destroy what people love and insult the demon hunter fans.
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
you see overlap because you want to see it. i dont see over lap because i have the imagination to see it as its own class without overlapping with existing classes.
"Demon hunters also possess a plethora of magical abilities, most notably the ability to metamorphose. Many abilities also tend to vary from demon hunter to demon hunter, possibly derived from the type of demon that they originally partially absorbed."
meta can easily be worked around or made into something that doesnt overlap with the warlocks one(that the stole from illidan)
meta could also be different from each demon hunter depending on the demon the take their powers from.
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
They are more appropriately 'the Illidari'. They are not conventional Demon Hunters by any means, and they are Demon Hunters by relation of class. The motivations of the Illidari are malevolent in nature, which explains the use of demonic enslavement.
Just the same, the Druids of the Flame are still "Druids", as they can still change their forms and command natural elements. However, they no longer have any reverence for nature, and they have become an exception for following a different creed. The only lasting relationship is that they share the same Class.