So Alleria will be at war against Silvermoon and her sister ?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Because like the other High Elves, Alleria isn't a backstabbing bitch that joined the Horde.

Wait are the high elfs the back stabbed or the blood elfs?

[Friendlyimmolation]

Was there any direct mention of "small"? I'm looking now

Thats how they were described as in one of the Blizz con videos, be my guest finding it, I can't watch on data.


I assume at most they will be some exiled village, tucked away in the corner of the ghostlands. But high elves/ void elves populations are still both screwed. (atleast high elves still will be, maybe they will change void elves before they are introduced.)

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Have you met Tyrande?

Not every one in the alliance needs to get along to join the alliance varian didn’t like glen or Moria at first either but other members vouched for them and they join there’s no reason the night born couldn’t do the same.

[ohwell]

You mean like Vahressa Windrunner?

Yeah, They're all sisters, but Sylvanas is the "black sheep".

Technically Vareesa is the black sheep running off to Dalaran where Sylvanas has far more in common with Alleria in both her personal history and what each of them has succumbed to.

[ohwell]

since alleria is now a blind alliance fan girl, instead of being used to unite her people. i cant wait to kill the bitch.

Can we actually kill these people in city raids?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Meh I always thought Alleria's loyalty was to family, not race. Her family now is Turalyon and Arator. And for some reason I strongly suspect that Sylvanas is going to kill Vereesa before BfA (maybe unintentionally).

Would make sense as there’s that slumped elf body in the tree burning picture.

[Caerule]

Alleria's loyalty lies with the Alliance, because she hates the Horde. That does not mean she hates the Blood Elves like Vereesa does.

She tries to recruit the Blood Elves into the Alliance without luck. Failing that, she recruits Blood Elf outcasts that become the Void Elves.

So no. I doubt we'll see Alleria waging war against Silvermoon. And stands with the Alliance. Where she stands on Sylvanas... We won't find out until the meeting of the three sisters is done.

[Friendlyimmolation]

I hope they're not, sucks to keep having "small elite" groups constantly.

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Nightborne are the safe space elves.

"Offend me I'll just hide in a bubble for ten thousand years."

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Silverthorn wasn't a sunreaver. That's all I'll say on the topic here.

OT any care I had for Alleria died when they made her the void maguffin human lover Vereesa copy. They squandered her potential.

What would you prefers they did with her?

[Friendlyimmolation]

What would you prefers they did with her?

making her anything more than a half elf making human lover and void maguffin.


Shes teetering on the Vereesa treatment.

[sam86]

No they didn't. Quel'thalas left the Alliance of Lordaeron just after the second war which Alleria was both aware of and despised. If you want to get technical, Alleria defying orders and taking a group of the strongest rangers without approval to fight a war her country expressly forbid was treason.

it seems u mixed Quel'thalas with Gilneas, Quel'thalas was still a part of alliance, didn't close its borders, and even helped in the investigation of the mysterious plague in the very early steps of scourge invasion
They did withdrew their army, but so did every single nation, including Kul'tiras and Stormgarde, because well, the war is over, the optional suicidal mission to Dreanor they did not support at all, and as far we know neither did any nation even, it was purely of volunteers
re-play wc3 to see Quel'thalas role prior to the scourge invasion, and how alliance backstabed them as usual

How the fuck were the alliance dicks to nightborne? More importantly, they wouldn't join the horde in a full scale war because they got "offended".

Nightborne should have been neutral, fuck it, remove ALL elves except night elves, and return the horde to the horde.

Jesus christ, talk about being biased. If you're going to question LF question highmountain as well. Not going to cover void elves because you're obviously a belf fan. I know they get triggered af on these forums.

Why u telling us ? Tell it to blizz, I agree 100% that every 'allied race' don't make sense to join any faction in war, except dark iron dwarfs, whose queen is leading IF since Cata, with a council after Varian almost killed her and humiliated her very bad (it was golden chance to make moira a gery/evil alliance leader, why she swallowed that sh8t is very annoying)

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LF Goats for allys makes perfect sense. They basically veterans returning from a war. They come home to their people's new home. Then your people's enemies burn down your proximal allies capital. So even if LF Goats don't give a fuck about the Horde vs Alliance thing their new home has a real chance of being attacked.

Lightforge draenei are not part of the draenei who left Argus since ages and caused extinction of countless lifeforms (or lives, can't remember accurate word that Velen himself admits in Rise of the Horde), unless they retconned something, the draenei who landed on Azeroth were expert chickens, who never fought once, just run away from any planet BL invade leave its citizens to be wiped out for the 'horrible crime' of dare existing in a place where Draenei were
LF draenei share only look with what let's call them "Azeroth" Draenei, even physically different (from racial difference), the first interaction ever they had with Azeroth was literally on equal foot with alliance and horde at same time, and officially lore-wise they are treated exactly same, get same help, they have same logic to join war with alliance against horde as highmoutain have to join horde against alliance, ie no GOD DAMN sense (borrowed from game theory channel), in fact if anything they should feel disgusted from Azeroth Draenei who had zero conscious, just run away and np to let billions of lives die in vain, instead of stand and fight - like what LF draenei literally did - against the impossible odds of BL

[Lorgar Aurelian]

making her anything more than a half elf making human lover and void maguffin.


Shes teetering on the Vereesa treatment.

Can’t say I really know any thing about or care about her character at all same with what’s his face pally. If they really wanted void elfs I’d rather they had some blood elf we have now have broken off with them but not become a void elf them self. I like most of the blood elfs where the only high elf I kinda like is veressa and she’s at the bottom of characters I like.

[sam86]

This whole discussion exists for one and only reason.

Blizzard lore writers are forced to produce lore AFTER the game designers decide which race goes where, instead of actually producing consistent lore facts and using it for gameplay reasons.

Actually blizz used to care about story, we can even say Vanilla wow was best example of that, when they did not cross any weird lines or weird ideas to make problems in first place, all vanilla wow events are generic and are what happens to normal adventures, not ppl who are now more powerful than green jesus himself
And blizz did care about stories, check how amazing wc3 (also a little cheesy i guess), or sc, Sarah Kerrigan is one of biggest badass female icons in video games for a very solid reason, however when it comes to wow they for some reason decided that gameplay, and lore bend its ass for it, and sometimes just fuck lore for the lolz
Can they fix that ? Doubt it, at least legion had a "good" story-ish in compare to mop/wod, far more solid, but it was move to right direction
Then came BFA, while i was telling everyone of my rl friends who play wow i'll buy legion as soon it is released, I tell them now I may skip BFA alltogether, I'm waiting for Before the Storm to try 'fix' the idea of from expansion we were best buddies, to burn down Teldrassil and attack Undercity, and neutral races who receive exact help from alliance and horde, risk their existence and join a faction instead of stay neutral like 1502 other neutral faction we met before (goblins, etherals, ogres, frost giants...),
TBH wow is looking to think about story same way as doom now, ie it is like story in porn, no one cares about it, but it exists
Ironic because same company - blizz - did amazing stories before, even some of best like warcraft 3 and starcraft, heck I'm a wow fan purely because wc3

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She wasn't. You should do the suramar questline at both side and really read the whole thing.

So tired of this horde bias bullshit. Just done the thing as horde and the whole shift towards Nightborne being Horde is setup horribly.

I'm alliance through and through. She's still a giant bitch.

And even if she behaved in Suramar, I seem to remember that they have some history with Thalyssra

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Not every one in the alliance needs to get along to join the alliance varian didn’t like glen or Moria at first either but other members vouched for them and they join there’s no reason the night born couldn’t do the same.

Sure. But when Liadrin is already on the other side, why not go with her?

[Villager720]

Maybe Silvermoon/Quel'thalas isn't invaded during BfA because Alleria prevents it. Once the Undercity falls, there's no reason not to march on Silvermoon unless some higher ups in the Alliance command veto the notion.
Doubt Anduin, Greymane, Tyrande, the Dwarves, or the Gnomes care much for the Blood Elves. So my bet is Alleria (also maybe Velen) campaign against invading elf territory.

[Nathasil]

I'm alliance through and through. She's still a giant bitch.

And even if she behaved in Suramar, I seem to remember that they have some history with Thalyssra

Since when is being honest the same as being a bitch?

The Nightborne sealed off their city when the whole world was set aflame..it is obvious that Suramar was controlled by the Arcane abusing Highborne caste that was RESPONSIBLE for the mess....yet, they only cared for saving their own asses while letting (among many others) Tyrande suffer to clean up THEIR mess. And it was not just a "short war". Tyrande sacrificed 10.000 years of her life to solitude because she and her husband were MENDING this world.

What did the Nghtbone do in those 10.000 years? They were sucking Arcwine!

Ask yourself: Does Thalyssra at ANY POINT of the Suramar questline say plain and simple that turning their backs on the world after they helped put it to the torch was a mistake? Does she ever mention with a SINGLE WORD that the Nightbone have dept to pay to the rest of Azeroth, especially the Night Elves? No, she does not. She was not opposed to the original construction of the shield at all. She just regrets not being able to watch the sky anymore. That's it.

Thalyssra and her kin are traitors to the Night Elves AND all of Azeroth....yet she askes us for help....and Tyrande comes to help. And somehow Tyrande is the bitch now?

WTF. Really. Open your eyes people and at least TRY to consider the backround. I know Thalyssra is told EXTREMELY likeable in Suramar. I get it. But just because someone has a soothing voice should not make you ignore the ENTIRE backstory of a character/race.

Truth is: Tyrande has EVERY reason to despise the Nightborne and Thalyssra.....yet still she comes, risking both the lives of her sentinels and her own to help them....but you say she's a bitch? What is wrong with you?

BTW: What did the High Elves/Blood Elves do those 10k years that Tyrande and her kin suffered to heal this world? Right, they were busy genociding Trolls and living in luxury. I'm TOTALLY puzzled why Liadrin holds no grudge for the Nightborne.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Maybe Silvermoon/Quel'thalas isn't invaded during BfA because Alleria prevents it. Once the Undercity falls, there's no reason not to march on Silvermoon unless some higher ups in the Alliance command veto the notion.
Doubt Anduin, Greymane, Tyrande, the Dwarves, or the Gnomes care much for the Blood Elves. So my bet is Alleria (also maybe Velen) campaign against invading elf territory.

The Alliance are trying to, but for whatever reason they fell back to Arathi instead.

[Doffen]

I'm alliance through and through. She's still a giant bitch.

And even if she behaved in Suramar, I seem to remember that they have some history with Thalyssra

Allright allright, I jumped on the conclusion there, sorry!

But no, she is not a bitch :P

[Villager720]

The Alliance are trying to, but for whatever reason they fell back to Arathi instead.

Wait, wut?

If they fell back to Arathi, who controls Lordaeron?

Edit:
And what pushed them out? Once the Undercity falls, it seems to me the rest of Lordaeron would be a cake walk.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Wait, wut?

If they fell back to Arathi, who controls Lordaeron?

The forsaken still hold onto Hillsbrad apperantly, as well as Silverpine, maybe they realized they were losing and blighted the fuck out of everything.

So right now, no one?

With no beta we can only guess.

Apperantly a combination of the threat of Quel’thalas, and the inability to defend Capitol city after the battle have the alliance go back to stromguard