Roy Moore: allegations of sexual misconduct with minors

[Daelak]

Your credibility as a non-biased recounter of American political history went in the shitter when you claimed that the Buckleys and Friedmans of the right are responsible for Trump and the alt-right. Go peddle your Nancy MacClean routine elsewhere.

They are directly responsible, you just don't want to read their history of their handlers. Why did the National Review start in 1955? Why did Goldwater's platform look like the resurrection of John Calhoun? Why was Goldwater obsessed with the welfare state and curbing civil rights protections by the federal government? Answer those questions and you will be closer.

You are in denial of where the ideology you ascribe to is grounded in segregationist rhetoric, at best.

[cubby]

When my political opposites take a position such as this, it seems unavoidable that cooperation and political bargaining will fall irreversibly by the wayside. The idea that the other side isn't just wrong politically, they're bad people.

And here I thought Trump and Trump apologists were the polarizers.

So people sympathetic and supporting pedophiles are good people? Is that where you are now? Do you even hear yourself anymore or is the chamber too loud now?

[NYC17]

That's fine. He's just a dude. It seems that the far right has a problem with random dudes. saying random things. Who the fuck cares what Daelak was saying! He made his point. Agree to disagree.

Meanwhile the Barbarian Trumpkins are supporting pre-modern, intentionally destructive policies and creeping authoritarianism and leaders who are criminals, liars, traitors and perverts.

The former is a problem with a dude. The latter is a problem with millions of Americans.

Trumpeteers also have a penchant for continuously doing stupid shit. Such as...

A pro-President Trump Super PAC has released a video showing Alabama Senate candidate and accused child molester Roy Moore being interviewed — by a 12-year-old girl.

The video was released on social media Sunday by the America First Project and features a girl named Millie March, a young GOP activist who first gained fame at the CPAC conference in March.

Wearing a pink jacket festooned with Moore for US Senate stickers, Millie first chats with campaign chair Rich Hobson, who tells her that Democrat Doug Jones wants to abort unborn babies minutes before birth and praises Moore’s support of Trump.


https://nypost.com/2017/12/11/trump-...ter-roy-moore/

[Draco-Onis]

People are willing to explain away an awful lot, but at what point does it become too much... The ends do not justify the means.

Putting aside the pedophilia accusations, Moore has a long list of reprehensible views that should be disqualifying -

• Believes that the US was great when slavery still existed
• Doesn't believe that Muslims should be allowed to serve in congress
• Believes that 9/11 is the US's punishment because "we legitimize sodomy" and "legitimize abortion."
• Believes that trangender people do not have rights
• Believes religion is above the law and got kicked off the Alabama Supreme Court twice!
• Moore was the only vote in favor of a day care worker who raped a 4-year-old, claiming there was no ‘implied threat of serious physical injury’
• Moore equates homosexuality with child abuse

The man is a fucking wacko any way you slice it. He should be in jail, not the senate.

Let's add to that list

- Believes we should bring back slavery.
- Believes we should repeal the right for non whites to vote.
- Believes we would repeal the right of women to vote.
- is a birther.

[Dacien]

So people sympathetic and supporting pedophiles are good people? Is that where you are now? Do you even hear yourself anymore or is the chamber too loud now?

As I said earlier, I was responding to criticisms of the National Review, who opposed Trump in the election and opposes Moore.

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And there it is, the typical right-wing victimhood. The Repubs have gone further and further to the right with each new election, why the fuck should everyone else have to cooperate on their terms?

Both sides have moved farther away from each other.

[Skroe]

Both sides have moved farther away from each other.

And yet, only one side is actively excusing or attempting to undermine the investigation into, the President's collusion with our enemy, Russia, and his obstruction of justice into that investigation.

Play this stupid "everyone's at fault" game all you want. Democrats haven't been saints in everything, that's for sure. But make no mistake, the modern GOP and Trumpkins are alone in their level of evil and perversity.

Democrats have their problems. But Compared to Roy-fucking-Moore getting RNC backing? Compared to this shit about Muller? No. Not even close. Not within a light-year. That's not even 'moving to the right'. That's abandoning morality AND patriotism. The far right at the moment, which has betrayed conservatism, has neither.

[Casterbridge]

Trumpeteers also have a penchant for continuously doing stupid shit. Such as...

A pro-President Trump Super PAC has released a video showing Alabama Senate candidate and accused child molester Roy Moore being interviewed — by a 12-year-old girl.

The video was released on social media Sunday by the America First Project and features a girl named Millie March, a young GOP activist who first gained fame at the CPAC conference in March.

Wearing a pink jacket festooned with Moore for US Senate stickers, Millie first chats with campaign chair Rich Hobson, who tells her that Democrat Doug Jones wants to abort unborn babies minutes before birth and praises Moore’s support of Trump.


https://nypost.com/2017/12/11/trump-...ter-roy-moore/

The whole idea of this is disturbing, I mean putting aside the Moore thing, what the hell a 12 year old political activist?

[NYC17]

The whole idea of this is disturbing, I mean putting aside the Moore thing, what the hell a 12 year old political activist?

"Our ideology is so simple even a child with no life experience understands it!"

[downnola]

They are directly responsible, you just don't want to read their history of their handlers. Why did the National Review start in 1955? Why did Goldwater's platform look like the resurrection of John Calhoun? Why was Goldwater obsessed with the welfare state and curbing civil rights protections by the federal government? Answer those questions and you will be closer.

You are in denial of where the ideology you ascribe to is grounded in segregationist rhetoric, at best.

I don't subscribe to any one particular ideology, and I certainly have no use for ideologically driven conspiracy theories like yours. I've read enough of Buckley, and the National Review, to know how diametrically opposed his brand of conservatism is from Trumpism. If you bothered to do your homework instead of trying to slander people, you'd realize that too.

[Dacien]

Whats the middle ground of fucking children and defending nazis again? Whats the middle ground of trans/lgbt people are sub humans trash with no rights? And we can go on and on.

For the third time, my reply was toward criticisms of conservatism in general and respected conservative media such as the National Review, who, by the way, opposed Trump and oppose Moore.

Not Nazis or pedophiles.

This is how I ended up with the wrath of a dozen posters when Papadapolous broke, so I'm trying to stay ahead of this.

[Daelak]

I don't subscribe to any one particular ideology, and I certainly have no use for ideologically driven conspiracy theories like yours. I've read enough of Buckley, and the National Review, to know how diametrically opposed his brand of conservatism is from Trumpism. If you bothered to do your homework instead of trying to slander people, you'd realize that too.

It isn't a conspiracy theory as to why Goldwater won Southern States, adorned by the National Review, and why his campaign planks looked like John Calhoun's favorite slogans.

You are trying to make a distinction without a difference, yet when historians look back on this time, they will consider this to be an era where conservative ideology once again used contrived economic and governmental philosophy to push an agenda that was hostile to a certain subset of human beings. They will equate it to phrenology, the prosperity gospel, and Jim Crow, but under a more subversive level to capture fence-sitters who were already primed by racial rhetoric to become pro-bono defenders of it.

They oppose Trumpism because it is too outwardly uncouth, but the vast, vast majority of subscribers agree with the agenda. Look at their voting records, look at their insolent silence the past 18 months.

[Macaquerie]

For the third time, my reply was toward criticisms of conservatism in general and respected conservative media such as the National Review, who, by the way, opposed Trump and oppose Moore.

Not Nazis or pedophiles.

This is how I ended up with the wrath of a dozen posters when Papadapolous broke, so I'm trying to stay ahead of this.

Outlets like the National Review have pretty much always peddled the same garbage as the alt right all along, except that they managed to maintain a veneer of legitimacy and respectability and legitimacy by avoiding explicit bigotry and sticking to poorly concealed dog whistles instead. Of course what happened recently is that these outlets have simply been outflanked by people like Trump and Moore who didn't mince words and weren't afraid to be outright scumbags rather than just hinting at it, and of course the traditional publications aren't happy about that because now they can't just publish the same tripe and might have to do some actual journalism for once.

[cubby]

As I said earlier, I was responding to criticisms of the National Review, who opposed Trump in the election and opposes Moore.

You may have been responding to one thing, but that's not what you said. And to claim that

it seems unavoidable that cooperation and political bargaining will fall irreversibly by the wayside. The idea that the other side isn't just wrong politically, they're bad people

is true of the democrats, while the GOP elects and backs sexual assaulters and pedophlies, is just laughable. It's like you know what morality is, and you walk away from it every time. The GOP are the bad people. They are the morally depraved, eschewing all else for blind and destructive political gain.

If you don't oppose them, then by default you support them.

#deplorable45

[Dacien]

You may have been responding to one thing, but that's not what you said. And to claim that



is true of the democrats, while the GOP elects and backs sexual assaulters and pedophlies, is just laughable. It's like you know what morality is, and you walk away from it every time. The GOP are the bad people. They are the morally depraved, eschewing all else for blind and destructive political gain.

If you don't oppose them, then by default you support them.

#deplorable45

Look, Daelek posted a wild condemnation of conservative roots and of conservative media that are generally regarded as having a high standard of accuracy in reporting, suggesting conservatism as a whole is steeped in racism and bigotry. That's what I responded to, nothing more, nothing less.

When my entire political ideology is basically just a racist point of view, when that's his position, that is a position that renders meaningful discourse on issues we disagree over unsalvageable.

This is somewhat equivalent to saying that the Democrat Party today is borne out of KKK support who just want to subjugate minorities and keep them dependant on government. And you know what, that is a pants-on-head ridiculous thing to say that should be rejected out of hand, similar to his wild conclusion about conservative roots.

[Daelak]

Look, Daelek posted a wild condemnation of conservative roots and of conservative media that are generally regarded as having a high standard of accuracy in reporting, suggesting conservatism as a whole is steeped in racism and bigotry. That's what I responded to, nothing more, nothing less.

When my entire political ideology is basically just a racist point of view, when that's his position, that is a position that renders meaningful discourse on issues we disagree over unsalvageable.

This is somewhat equivalent to saying that the Democrat Party today is borne out of KKK support who just want to subjugate minorities and keep them dependant on government. And you know what, that is a pants-on-head ridiculous thing to say that should be rejected out of hand, similar to his wild conclusion about conservative roots.

There is nothing wild about it. What, you think it was all just a hunky dory coincidence that the tenets believed today by likely republican voters all just organically came from the ether at the same time the military was integrating, and there was a rising swell of black anger about equal protection in the 1950's? I know you aren't that dense.

[cubby]

I would like to go on the record with a prediction.

Moore will win by a very small margin, and immediately afterwards, we'll see voting discrepancies in DNC heavy areas, where votes were either miscounted or disqualified. The AL Sec State will authenticate the vote.

Because AL establishment will NEVER allow a Dem to win. Ever.

[downnola]

It isn't a conspiracy theory as to why Goldwater won Southern States, adorned by the National Review, and why his campaign planks looked like John Calhoun's favorite slogans.

You are trying to make a distinction without a difference, yet when historians look back on this time, they will consider this to be an era where conservative ideology once again used contrived economic and governmental philosophy to push an agenda that was hostile to a certain subset of human beings. They will equate it to phrenology, the prosperity gospel, and Jim Crow, but under a more subversive level to capture fence-sitters who were already primed by racial rhetoric to become pro-bono defenders of it.

They oppose Trumpism because it is too outwardly uncouth, but the vast, vast majority of subscribers agree with the agenda. Look at their voting records, look at their insolent silence the past 18 months.

You, and other progressives I've come across, have an incredible talent for looking for the worst possible motives that a person might have, and just assuming that's the motive that drives them. Are there any conservatives you would consider honorable adversaries, or do you expect that one day conservative leaning people will be defeated and progressives will finally prevail? I get that point of view can be comforting for people; to just assume that you're the only moral camp in town, but that's an awfully naive world view if you ask me.

[Daelak]

You, and other progressives I've come across, have an incredible talent for looking for the worst possible motives that a person might have, and just assuming that's the motive that drives them. Are there any conservatives you would consider honorable adversaries, or do you expect that one day conservative leaning people will be defeated and progressives will finally prevail? I get that point of view can be comforting for people; to just assume that you're the only moral camp in town, but that's an awfully naive world view if you ask me.

The current conservative ideology deserves to be defeated, for the sake of democracy, and the sake of the unrelenting pursuit of human rights and human dignity. The problem is that the handlers of conservative ideology are extremely adept at brainwashing millions of people. Look at the Vice video in this thread. All self-identifying conservatives, all in extreme denial which even FRANK LUNTZ can't even break through. Also, progressives keep making the same mistake the Northern Founders made when they conceded to Southern Slave Lords (the forebears of modern conservative ideology) democratic ideals on a promise that the conservatives would be satisfied with our system of governance. American History shows that conservatives will never be sated until federal power is nullified (Moore), or drowned in the bathtub (Breitbart), or stopped from their excessive, tyrannical overreach in states' affairs (Goldwater, Buckley).

[Breccia]

Moore will win by a very small margin, and immediately afterwards, we'll see voting discrepancies in DNC heavy areas, where votes were either miscounted or disqualified. The AL Sec State will authenticate the vote.

I'm sure people will cry "foul" in a close vote, either way. But I doubt the RNC will stomach actual fraud in this highly scrutinized case.

[Shkar]

As I said earlier, I was responding to criticisms of the National Review, who opposed Trump in the election and opposes Moore.

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Both sides have moved farther away from each other.

That image doesn't support your claim. Eyeballing it seemed fishy, so I actually opened it with paint.net and checked pixel lengths. All 3 graphs are 182 pixels wide. The medians are the following lengths from the left side of that graph (I might be off by one or so):

'94: D: 92 R: 109
'04: D: 72 R: 90
'14: D: 55 R: 118

From '94 to '04, BOTH sides shifted left by about ~18 pixels, or about 10% of the total. From '04 to '14, the Democrats again shifted left by ~18 pixels, but the Republicans shifted back to the right by 28 pixels.

Society as a whole was getting more liberal from '94 to '04, but from '04 to '14 the Republicans bucked that trend and moved more conservative at almost DOUBLE the speed society was going left, while democrats kept going liberal at the same rate.

3 data points is not a good sample size, but what limited data was presented in that image was not to the GOP's benefit.