reforms to the republican party

[alexw]

How dare you not BELIEVE in your "science!"

damn, climate changers truly behave like religious fanatics

Err no science isn't about believing its about accepting whether something is fact or not (and providing a confidence interval on that acceptance). That's where you go are going wrong. You can either accept reality as we know it or reject it, and you are rejecting it. That you use belief as the way to reject it is irrelevant to that. Its reality. Reality won't stop being reality just because you don't like it so choose to disbelieve in it.

That you reject reality to go with feelings and beliefs is pretty sad and pathetic if you think about it.

[Dmitro]

Gravity is also a theory, yet you trust scales. If you use the fact it’s a theory, to doubt it, it is stupid.

but at least i am not flying around, are you?
how can you compare climate-change theory and this?

[Macaquerie]

Gravity is also a theory, yet you trust scales. If you use the fact it’s a theory, to doubt it, it is stupid.

You know, given just how much time we've spent banging our heads against the wall arguing with conservatives over evolution and climate change, maybe it is time to relabel "theories" with a more authoritative sounding term just to shut off that particular line of argument.

but at least i am not flying around, are you?
how can you compare climate-change theory and this?

That the climate is changing is not in dispute - CO2 levels have gone up and global temperatures have subsequently risen, the data is absolutely clear on these points. The "theory" comes in whether humans are responsible, but once again this is fairly self-evident given that so much of the energy we use releases CO2, and where the hell else would it go if not into the atmosphere? You don't have to believe that if you don't want to, but then you'd have to come up with an alternative explanation that makes more sense than the scientific consensus.

[Dmitro]

Err no science isn't about believing its about accepting whether something is fact or not

true, but we have nothing that would make climate change theory a fact so far, so...

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You know, given just how much time we've spent banging our heads against the wall arguing with conservatives over evolution and climate change, maybe it is time to relabel "theories" with a more authoritative sounding term just to shut off that particular line of argument.

how dare these cuckservatives not believe scientists, ok they cant prove it directly, but who cares, they are smart and we should believe them!

(so religious from you)

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Yeah... see the problem is that's not how you science. You can never prove things

totally false

[Draco-Onis]

how dare these cuckservatives not believe scientists, ok they cant prove it directly, but who cares, they are smart and we should believe them!

(so religious from you)

I know how dare you believe people whose job it is to know the field, that wold be like trusting a doctors to know medicine

Do you seriously not know how idiotic that sounds?

[Dmitro]

I know how dare you believe people whose job it is to know the field, that wold be like trusting a doctors to know medicine

bad comparison, since doctors are proving that their theories are true everyday by curing people, climate change theorists on the other hand...

[Macaquerie]

how dare these cuckservatives not believe scientists, ok they cant prove it directly, but who cares, they are smart and we should believe them!

(so religious from you)

In so many words, yes. If you have any better ideas I'd love to hear them.

bad comparison, since doctors are proving that their theories are true everyday by curing people, climate change theorists on the other hand...

Maybe if politicians actually listened to climate scientists and followed their policy recommendations, we could "prove the theory" by curing the planet as well. But who needs all of that when you can just keep getting campaign cash from the oil and gas lobby?

[Felya]

but at least i am not flying around, are you?
how can you compare climate-change theory and this?

What the fuck? People claim that gravity is fake, because it’s just a theory, just like you are doing with climate change. Ask @Hammerfest he will PM you about it.

[Draco-Onis]

bad comparison, since doctors are proving that their theories are true everyday by curing people, climate change theorists on the other hand...

You do know a lot of procedures are based on theories and your odds are survival are not a given right?

[Felya]

bad comparison, since doctors are proving that their theories are true everyday by curing people, climate change theorists on the other hand...

Let’s test that out... let’s have 100 doctors... 97 of them will agree on the prognosis, but you’ll do what the 3 prescribed. Be sure to tell everyone you are doing it out of political principle, it just also happens to be stupid...

[Dmitro]

In so many words, yes. If you have any better ideas I'd love to hear them.

too religious for me, sorry

[Kujako]

too religious for me, sorry

No worries, you're free to be antiscience.

[Dmitro]

Maybe if politicians actually listened to climate scientists and followed their policy recommendations, we could "prove the theory" by curing the planet as well. But who needs all of that when you can just keep getting campaign cash from the oil and gas lobby?

youre too naive, we cant have such tremendous changes based on theories that arent proven, its too religious and dangerous.

ask yourself "what if climate change is falce and we've reshaped the planet entirely, ruined many countries, possible made overall life worse, for what?"

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No worries, you're free to be antiscience.

science is based on facts, not believes, plz stop mixing science and religion, thats why when I talk to you I use "science" and not science)

[Macaquerie]

You do know a lot of procedures are based on theories and your odds are survival are not a given right?

It's also a really stupid point to make because for thousands of years medicine was an absolute cesspool of quackery and pseudoscience (and in many right wing circles apparently still is) yet people still clung to the same methods because they appeared to work without anybody understanding or being able to come up with a decent explanation i.e. a theory of how they were supposed to work. In China there is still a multi-billion dollar industry centered around traditional medicine which still centers around concepts like chi and balance of the humors, and it doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon despite the fact that in this day and age people really should know better. It really goes to show how we should cherish the advances of modern science and not take them for granted.

youre too naive, we cant have such tremendous changes based on theories that arent proven, its too religious and dangerous.

ask yourself "what if climate change is falce and we've reshaped the planet entirely, ruined many countries, possible made overall life worse, for what?"

I'm willing to take that chance, it's a much less risky strategy than sitting by and doing nothing.

[Felya]

too religious for me, sorry

What? You not studying, has nothing to do with faith. Saying 3% of the scientist are right, is a lot more a kin to faith, than believing 97%.

What scientific evidance do you have, to question 97% of scientists? What specifically did these 3% see, that none of the others have?

[Dmitro]

In China there is still a multi-billion dollar industry centered around traditional medicine which still centers around concepts like chi and balance of the humors,

climate change lunatics are of the same way of thinking, cant prove it does/doesnt exist, but its better to believe it does.

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What? You not studying, has nothing to do with faith. Saying 3% of the scientist are right, is a lot more a kin to faith, than believing 97%.

so since the theory cant be proven lets decide whether its right or false by how many monks... ehh... scientists believe it or not?

Damn guys...

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[Draco-Onis]

youre too naive, we cant have such tremendous changes based on theories that arent proven, its too religious and dangerous.

ask yourself "what if climate change is falce and we've reshaped the planet entirely, ruined many countries, possible made overall life worse, for what?"

Okay I will bite, how does making the air and water cleaner, growing more trees, switching to a long term energy policy and building infrastructure to prevent deaths from major natural disaster make life worse?

[Felya]

climate change lunatics are of the same way of thinking, cant prove it does/doesnt exist, but its better to believe it does.

Uhm... there are probably closer to 3% that believe things chi works, than 97% that don’t. You are the one in the no proof, but you believe camp.

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so since the theory cant be proven lets decide whether its right or false by how many monks... ehh... scientists believe it or not?

Damn guys...

You think scientists in the field are monks? Dude, you don’t need faith to believe them. Feel free to go and read it... no one is stopping you. Just be sure to not fly into space, because gravity is a theory of monks.

You need to call scientists, monks... but, come at me with “damn guys...” lol... Why don’t you go check who actually argues god in climate change, because it sure as hell isn’t scientists.

Since we talked about gravity and toss the word theory around, like you have no clue what it means. Explain to me why you believe in gravity and not the idea of earth being constantly propelled? Both are theories... show me how you test gravity, that negates it being due to propulsion.

[Dmitro]

Okay I will bite, how does making the air and water cleaner, growing more trees, switching to a long term energy policy and building infrastructure to prevent deaths from major natural disaster make life worse?

how is that related to climate change? It should be done no matter of the c.change existence in my opinion.

Tho c.change lunatics lobby anti-manufacturing policies ( especially in our country) which is bad and should be dealt with.

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Uhm... there are probably closer to 3% that believe things chi works, than 97% that don’t. You are the one in the no proof, but you believe camp.

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You think scientists in the field are monks? Dude, you don’t need faith to believe them. Feel free to go and read it... no one is stopping you. Just be sure to not fly into space, because gravity is a theory of monks.

the way you treat them tells me you consider them monks,
I am not a religious person and unless I have a direct evidence of climate change (1) and manufacturing impact on it (2) before me, I call it bullshit.
sorry

[Draco-Onis]

how is that related to climate change? It should be done no matter of the c.change existence in my opinion.

Tho c.change lunatics lobby anti-manufacturing policies ( especially in our country) which is bad and should be dealth with.

Those are policies that are enacted to prepare or slow climate change, why do you think red states have no zoning laws and states like Florida are sinking and doing nothing about it?