[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Did she though, what was the outcome of that encounter, what was the consequences for her? Oh wait, there were no consequences, Snoke died and she escaped just like that...
Luke lost his hand when he fought Vader in ESB, that was a direct consequence of him losing.
But can't have that in Disney wars, no, how can we damage our perfect princess, she must always be perfect and encounter no hardships along her journey, and if she does encounter hardship it won't matter be cause she'll get out of it unscathed.

i thought people didn't want Disney to remake the original movies, what rey has to get some kind of injury just because luke did? as to the consequences she lost her saber which is a pretty big deal as most people cant just get a new one from a thrift shop. as to any thing further we will have to see how the rest of the trilogy plays out as we just flat out don't know what happens past this point.

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Yoda didn't need a trained super soldier he needed a young boy able to survive long enough to get through to his father.

those are one in the same when your fighting vader.

[Mormolyce]

So your supposition is that he’d be far more proficient with more than 5 minutes practice? Oh, and Obi started training Luke on their way to Mos Eisley.

In the landspeeder?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So your supposition is that he’d be far more proficient with more than 5 minutes practice? Oh, and Obi started training Luke on their way to Mos Eisley.

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Not if Vader, a man known for deep emotional connections to his family, isn’t actually trying to kill Luke. Which he wasn’t, since the Emperor wanted a new apprentice...

vader is also an unstable lunatic who have killed tons of people on a whim it would take a single slip which would be every likely for him to kill any untrained noob.

[Aurrora]

Exactly. The Sith are 'more powerful' than the Jedi but get bested by their arrogance/pride/dumbness/whatever.

Maul 2v1'd Obi and Quigon, got "killed" because he was taunting. Sidious so it baited Dooku, Anakin/Vader just had to stay where he was at, Maul (his real deal) tried to kill Obi the same way he killed Quigon,Sidious and Vader pretty much got each other killed by trying to turn a Jedi. All (except Dooku) died because they pulled stupid stunts.

Sith aren't more powerful, it's just a quicker and selfish avenue to power.

Also, Maul was killed because Obi-wan had the high ground.

[Zeta333]

Everyone is calling the Falcon old garbage, but where are newer designs that are superior?!

Disney retconned all of them. The amount of improved tech that was made in the expanded universe from endor till 30ABY which is when this takes place is staggering, The lack of advancement from disneys storyline is beyond pathetic. According to disney sienar fleet systems did fuck all after endor. And the same for Incom and the other starship builders.

[Fayolynn]

I really like kylo but your points about him are rather flawed. Freezing blaster bolts is flashy but other sith have stopped bolts at there hands with no problem they don’t need to be flashy because people know and fear him and there sure of there power.

Him going though some ones mind also isn’t impressive Vader did the same thing to Luke when they were fighting while kylo does it to people who are not force sensitive.

Freezing a bolt in mid air and then letting it go is flashy, no question there. The thing unlike the absorbing a bolt and moving on it requires constant effort. The fact that he can do that while carrying a conversation speaks volumes about his skills.

Vader read Luke's surface thoughts after baiting him to think about those things. Kylo forces his way into peoples minds and takes the info he wants.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Nope. They camped for the night at one point. He started teaining him as a Jedi then. You really need to grasp the fact that just because you don’t see something on screen(like the passage of time) doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Films usually have time jumps... Probably has something to do with watching people walk being boring.



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If you say so. Maybe you missed the whole part where he went nuts when people harmed his family(or he thought they did/would). Hell, show me one instance where he lost control and that was the reason he killed people.

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Maybe you missed the part where the Falcon has undergone many alterations from its stock configuration. It’s like wondering why people see a Golf and assume it’s a piece of junk even though it could have enough mods to be the fastest car on the track. Does that mean the Golf is aesthetically better than any Ferrari it faces?

he destroys a whole city because his pride his hurt that he lost.



he killed a storm trooper because he got hurt.

and most prominent.



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Freezing a bolt in mid air and then letting it go is flashy, no question there. The thing unlike the absorbing a bolt and moving on it requires constant effort. The fact that he can do that while carrying a conversation speaks volumes about his skills.

Vader read Luke's surface thoughts after baiting him to think about those things. Kylo forces his way into peoples minds and takes the info he wants.

it would require constant effort yes but why would a competent sith do such a thing it serves no purpose other then to show how cool you are which most sith don't have to do.

kylo also only ever reads people who are none force sensitive where vader read luke who was as powerful if not more then he was where kylo cant read rey who is suppose to be his match.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The first two don’t strike me as him losing control and killing people he’d prefer not to. The city was already a target and stormtroopers tend to be little more than bullet sponges. And you need to revisit RotS. Padme didn’t die because of anything Anakin physically did to her, they basically say she died of a broken heart.

the city wasn't a target he was there for the jedi he had no business with the city. stormtroopers dying has no baring on him killing one when losing control. padme not dying from what he did doesn't really matter when what he did could have killed her he him self even believes it did. i'm sure i could find more instances i know in the old canon he kills some one for simply saying the name skywalker but i'm not gonna find every instance he murders some one for no reason.

[Fayolynn]

it would require constant effort yes but why would a competent sith do such a thing it serves no purpose other then to show how cool you are which most sith don't have to do.

kylo also only ever reads people who are none force sensitive where vader read luke who was as powerful if not more then he was where kylo cant read rey who is suppose to be his match.

Why would he do it? Intimidation.

Kylo only failed to read Rey's mind because she is a badly written overly skilled character.

[Sunseeker]

it would require constant effort yes but why would a competent sith do such a thing it serves no purpose other then to show how cool you are which most sith don't have to do.

No Sith has to do anything, but if there's a common trait among Sith second to a hunger for more power, it's vanity. Sith LOVE to show off. Vader was a fairly crappy Sith by most Sith standards. But there are volumes of comics and books with Sith who like to show off their power for little reason other than showing off their power. It's pretty common in villains.

[Mormolyce]

Nope. They camped for the night at one point. He started teaining him as a Jedi then. You really need to grasp the fact that just because you don’t see something on screen(like the passage of time) doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Films usually have time jumps... Probably has something to do with watching people walk being boring.

You're going off the novelisation there?

Whatever he taught him, it can't have concerned lightsabers because Luke was still a complete amateur by the time he was practicing on the Falcon with the remote.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Why would he do it? Intimidation.

Kylo only failed to read Rey's mind because she is a badly written overly skilled character.

Kylo has also never been shown to read any one who is force sensitive reading random smuchs is not impressive.

Vader also wasn’t able to read leyia is she badly written to?

[Kellorion]

In 9 I really hope they re-do the anakin/ob-wan Force Push spot, but Force Push vs Force Lightning, with Ben vs Rey

[PACOX]

Did she though, what was the outcome of that encounter, what was the consequences for her? Oh wait, there were no consequences, Snoke died and she escaped just like that...
Luke lost his hand when he fought Vader in ESB, that was a direct consequence of him losing.
But can't have that in Disney wars, no, how can we damage our perfect princess, she must always be perfect and encounter no hardships along her journey, and if she does encounter hardship it won't matter be cause she'll get out of it unscathed.

Rey beat Snoke like Luke beat Sidious...get it? Neither did. Both had to be saved by the the big bads other half. Rey was dead if Kylo didnt want her alive, just Sidious would've cooked Luke ((or turned Luke to the dark side by getting Luke to attempt to kill him. Either Sidious would've let Luke kill him for the 'good' of the Sith or he would've stopped Luke short -> Luke would've turned -> Sidious makes Luke kill Vader and become the new Darth whatever).

[Lorgar Aurelian]

No Sith has to do anything, but if there's a common trait among Sith second to a hunger for more power, it's vanity. Sith LOVE to show off. Vader was a fairly crappy Sith by most Sith standards. But there are volumes of comics and books with Sith who like to show off their power for little reason other than showing off their power. It's pretty common in villains.

That’s true but kylo is also trying to show off how much of a bad ass he is for both his own reasueance and to enforce it to his peons where most sith we see in the movies are confident in there ability’s and don’t have to reinforce it in them selfs and thoses around them. Vader while being a crappy sith had great presence and could show that he could snuff you out with little flash or showing any of his real power like when he cokes that one moff.

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In 9 I really hope they re-do the anakin/ob-wan Force Push spot, but Force Push vs Force Lightning, with Ben vs Rey

Isn’t that kinda what they did in this one but with force pulling?

[Kithelle]

So, we have to go with what we know that is canon, that Jedi Knights are trained since younglings and that Anakin was already too old.

I don't know if it was that....I like to think if Qui Gon lived to train him, Anakin may have been different. Obi Wan was so rigid and by the book, while Qui Gon for lack of a better word may have nourished him better.

[Kellorion]

That’s true but kylo is also trying to show off how much of a bad ass he is for both his own reasueance and to enforce it to his peons where most sith we see in the movies are confident in there ability’s and don’t have to reinforce it in them selfs and thoses around them. Vader while being a crappy sith had great presence and could show that he could snuff you out with little flash or showing any of his real power like when he cokes that one moff.

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Isn’t that kinda what they did in this one but with force pulling?

A bit yea, think it would be cool to see.

[PACOX]

Disney retconned all of them. The amount of improved tech that was made in the expanded universe from endor till 30ABY which is when this takes place is staggering, The lack of advancement from disneys storyline is beyond pathetic. According to disney sienar fleet systems did fuck all after endor. And the same for Incom and the other starship builders.

Come on man, the First Order TIE/fo and the TIE/sf aren't the TIE/ln. Disney even cheated and put a bunch of the TIE variants in Rebels.

[PACOX]

Sith aren't more powerful, it's just a quicker and selfish avenue to power.

Also, Maul was killed because Obi-wan had the high ground.

That is awesome.

[Zeta333]

Come on man, the First Order TIE/fo and the TIE/sf aren't the TIE/ln. Disney even cheated and put a bunch of the TIE variants in Rebels.

And yet they are still the same fucking trash that the ln model was. Where are the defenders, bombers and other models that the empire advanced to. I mean fuck even the interceptor was less trash than the ln. Fuck by 30aby they had stopped building tie models period. Sorry but changing the color and adding an extra seat is not advancement, its fucking lazy and shit writing. The same on the rebels side, Lack of diversity and change up or improvement of mainline snubfighters and what ever the fuck that hot garbage bomber was at the begining of the movie was shit.