The Burning of Teldrassil...

[Jekyll]

Let the horde babies whine, that's all they're good for anyway.

Pathetic really.

So they burned down my capital and where I began my journey, in the end they lose more, and their precious shitty Undercity.

I think you got it wrong. It's the Alliance that had been crying since the announcement; about Nightborne joining the Horde, crying about Void Elfs, crying about the requirements and now crying about Teldrassil.

[Aquamonkey]

as an alliance player and night elf lover, I think it's very wrong that the horde burned down teldrassil. it's one of the most sacred and ancient places in kalimdor / eastern kingdoms!

TIL 11 years is ancient.

[corebit]

Oh no! The beautiful tree from Vanilla days is being burnt down?! Why would Blizzard burn down Teldr-



Oh, right. Because it's a relic from 2001 world design and looks disgusting.

Right, as Alliance I really fail to understand why some people are so nostalgic about that ugly stump.

Even if you disregard the uglyness, it's also the most inconvenient capital city from a gameplay standpoint. If you have any business in Northern Kalimdor, the best way is Stormwind->Mount Hyjal and fly from there (or Moonglade if you're a druid).

[Serenais]

Per Occam's razor, it will most likely just end up a dead zone with no or very few NPCs of value - think Gilneas after the starting questline is over, or Karabor after Shadowmoon Valley questline ends. I expect similar treatement for lvl120 Tirisfal Glades. We know that the Alliance is going to fall back to Arathi (after all, if Undercity is indefensible for the Forsaken, it's going to be very hard to defend for the Alliance, too). Similarly, after Teldrassil burns, there is no reason for the Horde to field any forces there - no point in guarding a gigantic pile of ash.

So just expect two dead zones. They are easiest to make, and since story is going to be happening elsewhere anyway, I just don't see Blizzard putting much effort into them.

[un_known]

I have a theory I doubt it will be the case but it sounds better in my head....

Pre expansion event, (alliance/horde)
scenario: defend teldrassil from forsaken assault/ stop rogue faction of forsaken attacking teldrassil
Ends up with horde and alliance face to face after horde stops the rogue faction and alliance coming to the place where horde players are(lore figures sent you on ahead and they’ll be along later), one thing leads to another and artifact vs artifact.

Now! This is where things gets interesting/complicated

The unstable artifacts finally reach a critical point and “explode” all that energy pooling out and setting teldrassil alight.

[Khirok]

I think you got it wrong. It's the Alliance that had been crying since the announcement; about Nightborne joining the Horde, crying about Void Elfs, crying about the requirements and now crying about Teldrassil.

You think getting flat-out inferior content isn't something worth throwing a fuss about?

[Raetary]

Thats why the warfront is in arathi? Suuuure

Gz bro, you managed to reply to my post from november.

[tandeee]

TIL 11 years is ancient.

the concept of darnassus is ancient. there are many artifacts from the WOTA.
besides, it's their homeland plain and square. the alliance used to own lorderaon, and hopefully they rightfully take it back.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

[delus]

Lorderon isn't taken over, isn't destroyed, no...just...attacked. Which we can easily assume they will defend off the forces of the Alliance and still keep their rotting castle. With the possible outcome of a few small Alliance bases settled into Lorderon land just for a few skirmishes... How is that even remotely fair Blizzard?

Actually we don't know that it's not destroyed. All we do know is that it's indefensible and made into more of a ruin. That could very well mean that undercity as we know it is no more. It would make sense if the alliance fell back because they couldn't occupy a hole in the ground.

[Clone]

Right, as Alliance I really fail to understand why some people are so nostalgic about that ugly stump.

Even if you disregard the uglyness, it's also the most inconvenient capital city from a gameplay standpoint. If you have any business in Northern Kalimdor, the best way is Stormwind->Mount Hyjal and fly from there (or Moonglade if you're a druid).

Some people just don't want to see night elves get shit on like that.

[Aquamonkey]

the concept of darnassus is ancient. there are many artifacts from the WOTA.
besides, it's their homeland plain and square. the alliance used to own lorderaon, and hopefully they rightfully take it back.

WTF are you even talking about? Darnassus is only 11 years old, same as Teldrassil. Do you mean the concept of the NElves having a city they live in? Teldrassil is not their homeland. It's their capital. Their homeland was around the Well of Eternity, which got blasted to the bottom of the ocean. Then they lived around the 2nd Well of Eternity and Nordrassil (which they didn't live in). When that got blown up, they moved to Teldrassil, 11 years ago.

[corebit]

the concept of darnassus is ancient. there are many artifacts from the WOTA.
besides, it's their homeland plain and square. the alliance used to own lorderaon, and hopefully they rightfully take it back.

I really don't know what you mean by "concept of darnassus is ancient." Its entire concept was a failed plan by Fandral to hope to regain immortality. Not only it failed, it was corrupted for most of its life span.

11 years ago in Night Elven years is like frikkin' a minute ago.

Some people just don't want to see night elves get shit on like that.

Night elves have been shit on since WoW started. Every expansion had them lose something or have their leaders do dumb things (Tyrande) or not care at all (Malfurion). The only leader that seemed to care for the night elves was ironically Fandral even if his methods were wrong.

[Deleted]

WTF are you even talking about? Darnassus is only 11 years old, same as Teldrassil. Do you mean the concept of the NElves having a city they live in? Teldrassil is not their homeland. It's their capital. Their homeland was around the Well of Eternity, which got blasted to the bottom of the ocean. Then they lived around the 2nd Well of Eternity and Nordrassil (which they didn't live in). When that got blown up, they moved to Teldrassil, 11 years ago.

One can almost see a pattern there...

Well i hope we at least get a scenario or 2 out of it.
Optimally the quest-line will go:
- quests
- scenario about burning the stump
- quests
- scenario about destroying the sewers
- wait for WFA

[corebit]

One can almost see a pattern there...

Blizzard is just using the old tired trope of "elves used to dominate in ancient times, now they are fading and making way for the age of humans" as featured in numerous fantasies like LOTR, Warhammer, Witcher, etc, etc.

[Verdugo]

Blizzard is just using the old tired trope of "elves used to dominate in ancient times, now they are fading and making way for the age of humans" as featured in numerous fantasies like LOTR, Warhammer, Witcher, etc, etc.

At least it makes sense in those (and even then, Dark Elves in warhammer are thriving).

[Clone]

Night elves have been shit on since WoW started. Every expansion had them lose something or have their leaders do dumb things (Tyrande) or not care at all (Malfurion). The only leader that seemed to care for the night elves was ironically Fandral even if his methods were wrong.

I know, that's why I don't want to see them shit on even more.

[Fenixhart]

Last I checked there was nothing yet to indicate the Horde starts this war, a bit of a premature statement to make don't you think?

It's a perfectly reliable prediction based on past trends.

The time where the Horde doesn't start a faction conflict will be the first time.

[NatePsy]

It's a perfectly reliable prediction based on past trends.

The time where the Horde doesn't start a faction conflict will be the first time.

While ignoring the fact that this time Genn Greymane is a loose cannon or that the Alliance seem to think the Horde played a part in Varian dying? I think it's pretty evenly balanced at this point to assume either faction has enough growing instabilities to cause a war. There is not a single sliver at this point in time in patch 7.3.5 that indicates either faction starts the war.

The pre-expansion event will most likely highlight just who creates this mess or at the very least hints to it, however.

[Orby]

Right, as Alliance I really fail to understand why some people are so nostalgic about that ugly stump.

Even if you disregard the uglyness, it's also the most inconvenient capital city from a gameplay standpoint. If you have any business in Northern Kalimdor, the best way is Stormwind->Mount Hyjal and fly from there (or Moonglade if you're a druid).

This is true, I mean no one was honestly visiting Darnassus when it came to convenience. IF Silvermoon and The Exodar were not instanced I would bet they'd be destroyed too :P

[Powerogue]

This is true, I mean no one was honestly visiting Darnassus when it came to convenience. IF Silvermoon and The Exodar were not instanced I would bet they'd be destroyed too :P

Draenei: Huzzah, we've finally fulfilled our character arc!
* horde burns down the Exodar *
Draenei: OH COME ON! WE WERE ALREADY LIVING IN A WRECK. SCREW THIS PLANET WE'RE MOVING BACK TO OUTLAND. * all the draenei and lightforged pack into the Vindicaar and fly to Nagrand *

It's a perfectly reliable prediction based on past trends.

The time where the Horde doesn't start a faction conflict will be the first time.

Genn shot first in Stormheim. The dialogue before the cutscene as you're boarding is pretty funny in retrospect. "Yeah we're not supposed to engage unless necessary, but we're going to make it necessary."