Freshly dinged 110's in BG's.

[JoshuaNLG]

Can you at LEAST unlock concordance before you join a BG, and not join with 6 traits unlocked on your weapon?

Thanks, a disgruntled PvPer.

[ilik2345]

Why? A single win will give them upto 50 points at this stage? are you saying that 1 slightly lower dps or heal then normal is going to throw a game? I have bigger problems with people who don't do the objectives

[JoshuaNLG]

Why? A single win will give them upto 50 points at this stage? are you saying that 1 slightly lower dps or heal then normal is going to throw a game? I have bigger problems with people who don't do the objectives

It's not "slightly lower" lol, it's a massive chunk of traits that can make or break a class, some specs don't even play optimally until they have all their traits unlocked.

[Rotted]

So because you've lad longer to play than others that automatically means they shouldn't go in until their up to your standard?

[Kagthul]

Well it certainly gives the lie to the "you can just jump right in!!!11!1!!!1!" nonsense that Blizzard spewed about PvP at the start of the xpac.

Missing traits can mean ~25% less HP, concordance is a HUGE buff for some classes (ones that get Vers become nearly immortal for a bit), and not having your full set of PvP talents unlocked on like half the classes can mean you're totally useless (whereas on some you dont even need PvP talents to be viable).

[Deleted]

Can you at LEAST unlock concordance before you join a BG, and not join with 6 traits unlocked on your weapon?

Thanks, a disgruntled PvPer.

This is different from entering with 200 ilvl lower green weapons/gear how?

[Super Kami Dende]

This is different from entering with 200 ilvl lower green weapons/gear how?

Gear scales to templates, Traits don't.

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Well it certainly gives the lie to the "you can just jump right in!!!11!1!!!1!" nonsense that Blizzard spewed about PvP at the start of the xpac.

Missing traits can mean ~25% less HP, concordance is a HUGE buff for some classes (ones that get Vers become nearly immortal for a bit), and not having your full set of PvP talents unlocked on like half the classes can mean you're totally useless (whereas on some you dont even need PvP talents to be viable).

To be fair, you can do 1 PvP tower WQ and have concordance at this point.

[Magicpot]

It's not "slightly lower" lol, it's a massive chunk of traits that can make or break a class, some specs don't even play optimally until they have all their traits unlocked.

Not to mention like 50% stamina you get from these traits too

Well it certainly gives the lie to the "you can just jump right in!!!11!1!!!1!" nonsense that Blizzard spewed about PvP at the start of the xpac.

Missing traits can mean ~25% less HP, concordance is a HUGE buff for some classes (ones that get Vers become nearly immortal for a bit), and not having your full set of PvP talents unlocked on like half the classes can mean you're totally useless (whereas on some you dont even need PvP talents to be viable).

You can have everything you need within half an hour of doing 2 emissary quests or so.

[JoshuaNLG]

So because you've lad longer to play than others that automatically means they shouldn't go in until their up to your standard?

Nothing to do with playing longer at all, I don't expect them to reach my level of traits immediately, simply do one or two emisarries and boom, you have all your traits unlocked.

Come in prepared, not as fodder.

[Kagthul]

Not to mention like 50% stamina you get from these traits too




You can have everything you need within half an hour of doing 2 emissary quests or so.

Not Honor Talents. Or traits above 50 (which still grant .75% stamina/rank, even though Blizz said it would fall off after Concordance... but extensive in-game testimg showed this to be a lie), or the ~13-16% flat stat bonus from iLevel gains (which is 4-7% larger than the difference between Honor and Conquest gear ever was)...

Need i go on? I can. We mathed this out twice. Three times if you count the time we did it during Alpha.

And its hardly fair to compare the system as it exists now at the effective game-mechanical end of the xpac; far more important is that the system was so fucked up that had radically alter it THREE TIMES to make it remotely bearable....

And its STILL more newb-unfriendly than the old system ever was.

[8bithamster]

It's not "slightly lower" lol, it's a massive chunk of traits that can make or break a class, some specs don't even play optimally until they have all their traits unlocked.

Hint, if 50 traits lose you a game, you have a bigger issue than just that. Might want to realise that.

Also if you lose that many games, there is the realisation that you are the 1 common factor

[Syun]

A freshly dinged toon will have prestige 0 and will get phased with other 0 lvl people on bg till they hit lvl 1 prestige.

If your main toon is prestige 0 you will get in this new group despite all your traits/ilvl so it can seem unfair but truly if u are lvl 0 at this point...

[ilik2345]

I thought i had a screenshot from one of my alts at freshly dinged 110 in a bg (literally still in heirlooms), but alas i seem not to, from memory they have a bout 1mill less hp and did awful damage, but we still won that game. Kinda annoying, oh well, i'll take a screen of the next one i level

[Deleted]

Can you at LEAST unlock concordance before you join a BG, and not join with 6 traits unlocked on your weapon?

Thanks, a disgruntled PvPer.

But freshly dinged have their own bracket no? We don't play with or against them at all.

[JoshuaNLG]

But freshly dinged have their own bracket no? We don't play with or against them at all.

Not true, I've had several games with people ranging from prestige level 0 to 24.

[thunderdragon2]

It's not "slightly lower" lol, it's a massive chunk of traits that can make or break a class, some specs don't even play optimally until they have all their traits unlocked.

no as soon as i get my dk 110 im going try and get a bg win, if blizz didn't want freshly dinged toons in there they shouldn't have let essences be awarded from the 1st win of the day

[ilik2345]

Ok, two things, first people with no prestige are grouped together, seperately from people with prestige 1 or over. You normally won't see them, however a lot of alts will be playing with friends and if those friends are over prestige one you will see the freshly dinged toon with you in a bg.

Just bare in mind if this happens chances are 1 to 4 other people will be friends with that persons character so be not nice to them probably won't be appreciated.

[Bryntrollian]

Nothing to do with playing longer at all, I don't expect them to reach my level of traits immediately, simply do one or two emisarries and boom, you have all your traits unlocked.

Come in prepared, not as fodder.

How would they even know ?

[Deleted]

As I have not played for at least a year, now that I am back I will most definitely be hitting the battlegrounds with my freshly dinged 110s.

[Rotted]

Nothing to do with playing longer at all, I don't expect them to reach my level of traits immediately, simply do one or two emisarries and boom, you have all your traits unlocked.

Come in prepared, not as fodder.

But your still setting a standard xD