Why do people hate economic refugees ?

[Tennis]

Because instead of trying to make their country better, they're claiming that they are a victim.

Lol. So they should stay in a famine and die of hunger? Nobody would do that. Stop being racist.

[Hooked]

We are raised to follow rules, thousands of rules, we raise our children to follow the rules and not break the law. These migrants weren't raised under the same rules and laws we were. Plus they all vote democrat so it unbalances the system that my family fought in world wars to protect. I don't hate refugees, I just think it would be better for our society to help them where they live, not let them come here.

[Ozyorkbourne]

I don't hate them, I just don't want any in the UK. I'm fine with educated immigrants, they're useful.

- We have homelessness and mass poverty here. Why give that money away when we should stop hundreds of thousands of children going hungry each night?
- The NHS is strained to breaking point, hours wait in A&E, 18+ weeks wait for a specialist appointment.
- Education is stretched, public classes with 28-35+ people in them
- Higher education already costs £9,000/year. Migrants and their families are competition for grants and places
- Wellfare is stretched thin along with other benefits. We don't have the money.
- It's my experience that while some immigrants/migrants are happy to integrate and participate in society, plenty prefer to drive ghettoisation creating enclaves which don't integrate and as such, their children integrate poorly too.

The tl;dr - taking them costs money and rewards nothing. I'm prepared to completely ignore all arguments about it being the 'right thing to do'. I've reached the point of apathy, particularly after the Calais Jungle where thousands tried to ambush and board UK bound lorries.

The entire point of being a refugee is that you go back and i'm a strong believe in helping people where they are - the safest land boarder to Syria/the African state they are leaving. Give aid in the form of food, water, education, shelters and vaccines/medicines but don't allow open door policies enabling hundreds of thousands/millions to flood a continent. That's silly - there's a reason Merkel publically apologised for that mistake.

It isn't racist. It's the sad practical reality that our ccountries are shit enough right now.

[Deleted]

The main reason is the burden in the system. Here in Denmark we are spending 33billion DKK on non-western immigration every year, and that is a huge chunk of the budget from a 5.5mil population. We have a very strong welfare system, and its getting visibly degraded.

I have no issues with skilled people that actually wants to working coming in. We just hired a guy from India as a developer in my company, because its so hard to find actual good devs here.

[Grokresh]

I don't hate them, I just don't want any in the UK. I'm fine with educated immigrants, they're useful.

- We have homelessness and mass poverty here. Why give that money away when we should stop hundreds of thousands of children going hungry each night?
- The NHS is strained to breaking point, hours wait in A&E, 18+ weeks wait for a specialist appointment.
- Education is stretched, public classes with 28-35+ people in them
- Higher education already costs £9,000/year. Migrants and their families are competition for grants and places
- Wellfare is stretched thin along with other benefits. We don't have the money.
- It's my experience that while some immigrants/migrants are happy to integrate and participate in society, plenty prefer to drive ghettoisation creating enclaves which don't integrate and as such, their children integrate poorly too.

The tl;dr - taking them costs money and rewards nothing. I'm prepared to completely ignore all arguments about it being the 'right thing to do'. I've reached the point of apathy, particularly after the Calais Jungle where thousands tried to ambush and board UK bound lorries.

The entire point of being a refugee is that you go back and i'm a strong believe in helping people where they are - the safest land boarder to Syria/the African state they are leaving. Give aid in the form of food, water, education, shelters and vaccines/medicines but don't allow open door policies enabling hundreds of thousands/millions to flood a continent. That's silly - there's a reason Merkel publically apologised for that mistake.

It isn't racist. It's the sad practical reality that our ccountries are shit enough right now.

I agree with all of this as a leftist, shouting racist really is a simple small minded thing to do with societies facing genuine pressures and issues with immigration.

[Barnabas]

Says a shitty plumber. If you are halfway decent at your job you will still keep your job. This argument is so bad.

Unfortunately that is not how it works. If the economic refugee is a close replacement to you and they accept a lower wage then why does the company need you anymore? The whole 'git gud' argument doesn't work here.

[thealmightymoo]

When I lived in the UK, it had the highest minimum wage in europe if i recall, which attracted a lot of Polish, who'd do the job for minimum wage.

then a bunch of people who never worked in their lives starting shouting "DEY TERK AR JERBS" like South Park.

I do remember applying for a job with 29 other people (I know because they told me) and I was the only native english speaker.

[kail]

Stupid to hate someone I don't know. However, I'm of the opinion that refugee status should be reserved for those who are in danger in their country of origin.

[Tiwack]

Because the media they choose to consume tells them too.

Queue: "They took our jobs!"

Here we don't allow anyone to work without being part of a union which helps keep economic migrants from being exploited and making it impossible for natives to compete with them. It also helps keep an eye on the industry while those caught without either visa or union get deported back for not playing by the rules as they usually get paid without any paper-trail to draw tax on. Employer gets a steep fine too. Threat of not being allowed to stay usually makes people play along and cooperate instead of screwing everyone over including themselves. This is just necessary hardball when tax is 40%. The offered salary to a person who's not going to pay tax on it is impossible to compete with for the people who will.

[Macaquerie]

I agree with all of this as a leftist, shouting racist really is a simple small minded thing to do with societies facing genuine pressures and issues with immigration.

My question is this though - what country out there has the capacity to absorb a large number of refugees without disrupting the economy? These people have to go somewhere, and if modern and wealthy Western countries aren't able to shoulder the burden, should we really expect places like Saudi Arabia and Turkey to? I get that we are all NIMBYs on some level, but let's not pretend like Europe is uniquely incapable of absorbing mass migration.

[Grokresh]

I don't know which country does but having grown twice as any other country in Europe over a decade I'd say the United kingdom has taken plenty, besides eventually there is an argument to economic migrants improving their country or do we just import all of them? Besides a lot of people don't really care if they have no where else to go, hatred is not the same as prioritizing our own, why give refugees homes that could go to our own homeless, council housing for our own poor, jobs for our own employed. I'd rather put British citizens first and I'm leftist.

[Astalnar]

They're breaking the law, and they need to go back. They lose refugee status as soon as they leave the first safe country they entered.

[taliey]

Recession and labor market (specifically supply of labor) depress wages, thereby creating an inherent tension between workers and immigrants (who are usually threatened to replace said workers).

Still doesn't justify attitudes about them though.

[Torto]

My question is this though - what country out there has the capacity to absorb a large number of refugees without disrupting the economy? These people have to go somewhere, and if modern and wealthy Western countries aren't able to shoulder the burden, should we really expect places like Saudi Arabia and Turkey to? I get that we are all NIMBYs on some level, but let's not pretend like Europe is uniquely incapable of absorbing mass migration.

Why do they have to go somewhere? Why can't they stay in their own countries? If you live in a shithole make it better. All they are doing is turning the place they are migrating to into another shithole like they one they just left. And they are shitting on their countrymen they live behind.

[Macaquerie]

Why do they have to go somewhere? Why can't they stay in their own countries? If you live in a shithole make it better. All they are doing is turning the place they are migrating to into another shithole like they one they just left. And they are shitting on their countrymen they live behind.

If asking prosperous Europeans to try and take care of a couple million refugees is such an intolerable demand, how exactly do you expect the refugees to be able to do what you're asking of them?

[Barnabas]

Why do they have to go somewhere? Why can't they stay in their own countries? If you live in a shithole make it better. All they are doing is turning the place they are migrating to into another shithole like they one they just left. And they are shitting on their countrymen they live behind.

Because companies like google, microsoft and others want to continue the brain drain of the world. When those companies cherry pick the best and brightest from those countries the host country suffers.

[Grokresh]

If asking prosperous Europeans to try and take care of a couple million refugees is such an intolerable demand, how exactly do you expect the refugees to be able to do what you're asking of them?

It's not that we expect they can in all cases but we're not asking anything of the refugees what they do is up to them, but it's about taking care of our own first, if they don't get by then I won't lose sleep over that it's not our fault or responsibility. Our own poor and homeless should come first.

[Macaquerie]

It's not that we expect they can in all cases but we're not asking anything of the refugees what they do is up to them, but it's about taking care of our own first, if they don't get by then I won't lose sleep over that it's not our fault or responsibility. Our own poor and homeless should come first.

I accept the reasoning behind what you're saying, but for some reason it's always the same people most fervently arguing against immigration also browbeating the poor and homeless for being moochers and not pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps, so that argument just doesn't really have any credibility as far as I'm concerned. Also, hardship really is a relative thing, while poor people in the West don't have it easy by any means, their lives are a picnic by the standards of much of the rest of the world, not to mention the terror infested warzones that the refugees come from.

[Grokresh]

I accept the reasoning behind what you're saying, but for some reason it's always the same people most fervently arguing against immigration also browbeating the poor and homeless for being moochers and not pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps, so that argument just doesn't really have any credibility as far as I'm concerned. Also, hardship really is a relative thing, while poor people in the West don't have it easy by any means, their lives are a picnic by the standards of much of the rest of the world, not to mention the terror infested warzones that the refugees come from.

Well I am not doing that, there are a lot of poor people in our country that have fallen on hard times for understandable reasons and are let down by our goverment not helping them, the last thing we need is more people to help. Again it doesn't matter how much better you think the poor people in the west have it, a lot of people still have more concern for them then they do the people coming from literal hellholes. Because refugees will die if they don't come here and get a free home we should let more of ours live on the streets? We've had people literally freezing to death in doorways. We've got people left in ambulances in hospital carparks due to a lack of room, we have schools full to the brim, we have so many disabled people being cut from benefits for reasons proven to be false later and killing themselves, we do not need more problems it sucks for them it really does but it's not our responsbility to make more of our own suffer for them.

[Deleted]

In Europe, the integration of immigrants and refugees completely failed. And with completely, I really mean completely.

Can we just come to the conclusion that yes, we have tried over a period of many decades to make it work and that it's just not doable when people, cultures and religions simply aren't compatible?

Simple facts: we tried, it didn't work, it will never work.