Deepfakes porn has serious consequences

[Boathouse]

i don't think it's that harmless. It can be very difficult to recognize or differentiate people body. People could create very deprave video of you and make it public. It could be very harmful to your dignity, your image, and possibly your future professional endeavor.

You don't want to spend the rest of your life defending yourself saying that's not you, that's a fake.

You don't have to, there are people who get paid to look over videos and pictures to determine the legitimacy of them. It would take a few days max to have yourself cleared of any wrong. Photo editing has been a thing for years now and it's never been an issue because of how easy it is to disprove, why are people making a big deal out of this?

NO taking the identity of someone who is very much real, and placing it on someone else for pornographic purposes isn't fake, that is very much real, and can cause real damage to the victims of such an act who did NOT agree to participate in that, whether fabricated or not.

No, that's very much the definition of fake

noun
1.
a thing that is not genuine; a forgery or sham.

[nomorepriest]

What if the fake porn was you, let's say a gay porno or maybe even using this technology to set up fake crimes..

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That's what I was thinking

i don't think it's that harmless. It can be very difficult to recognize or differentiate people body. People could create very deprave video of you and make it public. It could be very harmful to your dignity, your image, and possibly your future professional endeavor.

You don't want to spend the rest of your life defending yourself saying that's not you, that's a fake.

[Doctor Amadeus]

i don't think it's that harmless. It can be very difficult to recognize or differentiate people body. People could create very deprave video of you and make it public. It could be very harmful to your dignity, your image, and possibly your future professional endeavor.

You don't want to spend the rest of your life defending yourself saying that's not you, that's a fake.

Yeah parody and look alikes I have no problem with, even those with cute names with an extra x that is meant to kind of confuse people, I get it, I would still think it can be as messed up as you mentioned.

However when digitally taking someone's real face and real image and assigning it to something not only porn but anything else is a bridge too far. It's not because I am a prude, I like porn, but I am not ok with something like this

[Sykol]

What if the fake porn was you, let's say a gay porno or maybe even using this technology to set up fake crimes..

If people are using it for crimes, making it a criminal act isn't gonna stop them. Besides, I'm sure everyone here has had someone jerk the gherk while thinking about them at some point. We gonna make that illegal, too?

[Vankrys]

You don't have to, there are people who get paid to look over videos and pictures to determine the legitimacy of them. It would take a few days max to have yourself cleared of any wrong. Photo editing has been a thing for years now and it's never been an issue because of how easy it is to disprove, why are people making a big deal out of this?

we live in the information age, things are different than 20 years ago. Hell, 20 years ago, i didn't even have internet at my home, only at my university.

You probably have not measure the implication that technology can have. Perhaps you think only public people will be affected, not you. But what if a colleague of your make a video of you like that out of spite and diffuse in the workplace.

You can deny all day long, it still something you rather not having to deal with for the rest of your life.

[Doctor Amadeus]

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noun
1.
a thing that is not genuine; a forgery or sham.

No it's not fake, that is the real image of someone whose identity is a living breathing person who has not given permission to be represented in this sort of way or any other without their explicit authorization.


As an example why don't you go ahead and shoot yourself a selfie now and post it, maybe we can test how ok you would be with this if was you.

[Shaetha]

To all you people talking about slander and libel. Slander and libel require intent to deceive. If there were a law about this made, it would also require intent to deceive, so as long as the creator isn't actually trying to pass it off as real In a public place, it won't be legally actionable.

[Super Kami Dende]

What about an image you taken and used as a piece of evidence in like say robbery footage, something that could get you implicated in a murder?

You are implying that the tech is good enough to pass for Real. instead of just looking good enough to pass for Fantasy. Any Forensic Scientist worth their credentials would easily spot a Deepfake superimposition over a real Video.

[Boathouse]

What if the fake porn was you, let's say a gay porno or maybe even using this technology to set up fake crimes..

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That's what I was thinking

If people were gonna use it for crimes making it illegal won't stop anything. You can't just make the technology go away and that's not even the discussion here. The issue is that there's nothing wrong with making a fake video using someones likeness, especially one who already puts themselves in the public's eye. The only issue is if it's being claimed as it's real, in which case yeah fuck that guy, but that can be proven fake. Especially fast if you have the money to rush the process like the people that most here are defending.

[Doctor Amadeus]

If people are using it for crimes, making it a criminal act isn't gonna stop them. Besides, I'm sure everyone here has had someone jerk the gherk while thinking about them at some point. We gonna make that illegal, too?

I don't know post your selfie Photo Sykol GO ON, Let's have a look at you

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You are implying that the tech is good enough to pass for Real. instead of just looking good enough to pass for Fantasy. Any Forensic Scientist worth their credentials would easily spot a Deepfake superimposition over a real Video.

I am saying that there is a source and a obviously a line crossed right where it is with this, and it should be subject to all the other laws that include forgery, and identity theft along to with all the punishments and penalties therein

[Boathouse]

No it's not fake, that is the real image of someone whose identity is a living breathing person who has not given permission to be represented in this sort of way or any other without their explicit authorization.


As an example why don't you go ahead and shoot yourself a selfie now and post it, maybe we can test how ok you would be with this if was you.

https://imgur.com/a/eavgX

Have at it.

[Doctor Amadeus]

To all you people talking about slander and libel. Slander and libel require intent to deceive. If there were a law about this made, it would also require intent to deceive, so as long as the creator isn't actually trying to pass it off as real In a public place, it won't be legally actionable.

The creator is trying to pass it off as the person, and the thin line of implicit and explicit isn't enough to ignore this is identity theft, and forgery of someone's person.

[Boathouse]

The creator is trying to pass it off as the person, and the thin line of implicit and explicit isn't enough to ignore this is identity theft, and forgery of someone's person.

Fair use laws protect parodies.

[Doctor Amadeus]

https://imgur.com/a/eavgX

Have at it.

Is this image you, and therefor you give permission for whatever may or may not be done with it?

[Boathouse]

Is this image you, and therefor you give permission for whatever may or may not be done with it?

Sure is, go nuts. However, how do you know it's me? Are you willing to take that risk? You seem to think there's a problem with people doing it to famous people yet you're so willing to trust a random post on a web board? Come now, you can't be that easy. You might be taking a dangerous step!

[Doctor Amadeus]

Fair use laws protect parodies.

Wrong this isn't covered by any of that, this isn't a parody of anybodies body of work, this is a flat our forgery of someone's identity. Why hire a actor anymore for anything if you can simply steal their image.

[Super Kami Dende]

I am saying that there is a source and a obviously a line crossed right where it is with this, and it should be subject to all the other laws that include forgery, and identity theft along to with all the punishments and penalties therein

Yet Fake Photos of Celebs have existed for decades. This doesn't change it and at which point would you say Punishments need to start? Simply photoshopping someones face onto someone else's body? Your argument falls flat on it's face as soon as you require a cut off point.



"OMG HIS IMAGE HAS BEEN IMPOSED ON A SITUATION HE WAS NOT IN! STRAIGHT TO JAIL!!!"

[nomorepriest]

Looking forward to what you do

Is this image you, and therefor you give permission for whatever may or may not be done with it?

[Sykol]

I don't know post your selfie Photo Sykol GO ON, Let's have a look at you

You're not going to fool me for a fourth time, Uncle Rob.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Yet Fake Photos of Celebs have existed for decades. This doesn't change it and at which point would you say Punishments need to start? Simply photoshopping someones face onto someone else's body? Your argument falls flat on it's face as soon as you require a cut off point.

Yes fake photos have always existed, so have doubles and people that looked like other people, and event hen those have never been purported to be who they were doubling for.

This actually changes a lot, this is actually taking someone's photo and turning it into a realistic 3d photoshopped image, that makes no such claims that this is not the person they are naming, because they can't because it is.

This is them in almost every real way, and exposing them as such as well, not in a parody or a critique, but as a way of stealing their identity and manufacturing material of their persons