No Flying in 8.0 Confirmed

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Well, what do you expect. Honestly the pro-flyers and the fly-haters are about 50/50. Blizzard neglect half the population and give us a middle finger. Of course these threads exist.

Not really, because you will have fly, sooner or later. You can't wait a few month? This whole debate is so stupid. And you know Blizzard will not change idea about this. I can understand debate on Legendary, Titanforge and so on, but this is a lost war from the beginning.

And not even lost, since you will fly anyway.

[Flarelaine]

Devs are passive-aggressive, spiteful divas who cannot stomach that many players actually like flying and dislike their "vision".

You call them divas... but it's not them I see throwing tantrums about the issue.

[Deleted]

Meh, fine with me. For me, flying is basically nothing more than a glorified shortcut anyways.

[Battlebeard]

god forbid you cant afk auto run while watching netflix, what a cruel world to live in, can get killed in a videogame

Now you are defending Blizzard choice for the sake of defending Blizzard. It's not about that, it's about game quality. A game like WoW has so many ways to be played. Some people raid, some do dungeons, some quest and care about story etc, some do PvP and some do all of it. Personally, I don't like questing, story, lore, leveling etc, I want max level as fast as possible so I can start to raid as soon as possible.

WoW is 14 years old this year and STILL they stick to a 2004 model, with the same concept. The "level and quest experience" so to speak should not be mandatory, or at least it should be MORE optional and to fly, would make it smoother for us who just want the leveling experience done.

Those who care about quests and leveling Don't have to fly! Why do they take away choice from us players!

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Not really, because you will have fly, sooner or later. You can't wait a few month? This whole debate is so stupid. And you know Blizzard will not change idea about this. I can understand debate on Legendary, Titanforge and so on, but this is a lost war from the beginning.

And not even lost, since you will fly anyway.

The whole point is to have flying from start. Once I hit 110 I never travel anywhere. I either queue for something or get summoned to raids/dungeons etc. I don't really need flying once I get to 110, but I DO need it in the start, where you actually have to level up and do quests etc.

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Exactly. If the zones would have been like in Vanilla, nobody would have had many problems with delaying flying. But the convoluted 3D mess with horribly failed mapping is an insult.

Could not say it better myself.

The terrains since MoP have been a mess. So extremely awful to navigate and get around in. If the zones were better, I might not have complained about no fly but it seems whoever design the worlds are here to say, as WoD was even worse than MoP and Legion was worse than WoD. So the quick solution to Blizzards god awful mapping is to allow us to fly. The fanboys can enjoy the ground-content if they want.

[Battlebeard]

You call them divas... but it's not them I see throwing tantrums about the issue.

They don't need to throw tantrums or discuss it, they work at Blizzard and are gonna have their way. I think Blizzard have many competent people working at the company, but some game designers, like the mapping crew, are anything but competent.

I mean come on, has ANY of the designers even played the game? I don't mean tested it on test servers, but actually been a real active player, on their spare time. I don't think they have.

[Missed]

Just done the highmountain allied race quest with flying. Such engagement lol

[WowIsDead64]

Wouldn't need flying, if content would be ground friendly. Ground friendly means "not Vash'jir style navigation hell". For me Wow - is Durotar, Mulgore, Barrens, 1k needles, Tanaris, etc. Everything else - is Korean-jump-puzzle-GW2-like crap, that IS NOT WOW. Flying - is just a tool to avoid all this crap. That's why personally for me real game starts only when flying is enabled.

[Battlebeard]

i dont need to defend a choice of a billion dollar company, i always though flying from the get go is retarded. Thats like starting an rpg and getting the airship after the tutorial which is horrible


Also no WoW is not sticking with the 2004 Model. If they actually would stick to the 2004 Model you would have your mounts in your bags and would have 100% speed increase. The system of Pathfinder is something like for the allied races. Blizzard wants you to play the content, if you dont want you dont get the rewards


Also the last bit is stupid because its clearly an advantage over not flying. Thats like saying Blizzard should mail everyone Titanforged T21 but the people who want to earn it can go and do the raid anyways without the gear

Well, personally I have always been a "moba-style fan" so to speak, where you play different classes/champions whatever, with many different abilities, but where you don't need to either level or gear up. The actual mobas, like LoL or Dota doesn't interest me that much though, as I am more into games you can customize more, like WoW, D3 etc with abilities, builds, speccs etc etc. So I will always want less leveling and gearing and just raid etc. For me, the game begins when you are ready to enter a raid, everything pre-that is useless to me.

I get it's not useless to everyone, but again, it's 2018 and WoW is the biggest mmorpg on the market. They should focus more on the "mmo" part and less on the "rpg" part. Let us play more the way we want, and to even still force people to level up, after 14 years is insane.

I believe one of the reasons Blizzard lose subscribers is that people dont want to spend that much time and effort leveling or gearing. It is no coincidence games like LoL, Dota, PUBG, Overwatch etc are taking over completely, just look at Twitch. It's because in those games, every round or match is a fresh start and you don't have to do the pre-work as in WoW.

To many, PvP, dungeons or raids are the actual GAME, and everything before that, like leveling and gearing, is just a mean to an end. If Blizzard wanna survive with the competition, they need less focus on the mean and more focus on the end, the actual game.

And to take a step in the right direction, flying is a good start, to make leveling faster and smoother for the people who absolutely HATE it, so we can start the actual game faster.

[Deleted]

Don't need flying unless they make zones that are godawful to navigate like Highmountain and Broken Shore.

Get some gliders and learn to handle them. Of course i was lost the first time but thats part of the experience.

[Battlebeard]

Get some gliders and learn to handle them. Of course i was lost the first time but thats part of the experience.

That is the very wrong attitude that has been a plague to this game for a long time. No offence, but that comment is a typical fanboy comment, where Blizzards mistakes are defended, and instead of solving the problems, you work around them.

If you have a disease, and you can chose, do you want to treat it or cure it? Same goes here, we want a cure (solution) to the problems Blizzard provide us with, not just a treatment (way to deal with the problem).

[Deleted]

I get why we can't fly from a blizzard standpoint. But it makes no sense. We are these hero personas, that save the fucking world, we CAN fly our mounts, but then all of a sudden in some place we just.. forget? Like what.

[Missed]

Exactly. If the zones would have been like in Vanilla, nobody would have had many problems with delaying flying. But the convoluted 3D mess with horribly failed mapping is an insult.

Yeah why can't we have all zones like the Barrens lol

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god forbid you cant afk auto run while watching netflix, what a cruel world to live in, can get killed in a videogame

We wouldn't our characters to suffer unnecessary violence.

[Super Kami Dende]

Well, what do you expect. Honestly the pro-flyers and the fly-haters are about 50/50. Blizzard neglect half the population and give us a middle finger. Of course these threads exist.

Which half do they neglect? Last I checked they give both sides a go during the expansion. First half is anti-flyers, second half is flyers.

[Battlebeard]

Which half do they neglect? Last I checked they give both sides a go during the expansion. First half is anti-flyers, second half is flyers.

They neglect us who want flying at ALL times, ESPECIALLY at the START of the expansion. I don't care if I get flying later, then leveling is done anyway and I am in the city between raids that I get summoned to. Don't really need fly beyond the start.

[Super Kami Dende]

That is the very wrong attitude that has been a plague to this game for a long time. No offence, but that comment is a typical fanboy comment, where Blizzards mistakes are defended, and instead of solving the problems, you work around them.

If you have a disease, and you can chose, do you want to treat it or cure it? Same goes here, we want a cure (solution) to the problems Blizzard provide us with, not just a treatment (way to deal with the problem).

Comparing something like this to a disease is a pretty silly thing to do. Since it's isn't seen as a detriment to most.

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They neglect us who want flying at ALL times, ESPECIALLY at the START of the expansion. I don't care if I get flying later, then leveling is done anyway and I am in the city between raids that I get summoned to. Don't really need fly beyond the start.

Then.. Boohoo? Their reasoning for not having flying instantly always made sense to me.

[Battlebeard]

Comparing something like this to a disease is a pretty silly thing to do. Since it's isn't seen as a detriment to most.

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Then.. Boohoo? Their reasoning for not having flying instantly always made sense to me.

That you say "boohoo" to me I don't mind, you are just a guy on a forum, but Blizzard is basically doing the same, by saying "tough shit" to a lot of paying subscribers. They are not even opening the subject up for debate or take any consideration to so many players. If they want this game, that is slowly dying, to stay alive they need to interact with the players and at least try to make it work for as many as possible.

One day, people like me, who played forever, and who also buy like game tokens and invest in this game so to speak, will get tired of being neglected, and Blizzard will be stuck with the new "come and go" players that lack the dedication of us veterans. I'm not sure how much more dissapointment I can take, and I am far from alone here. People will say "no one cares about you Battlebeard, you are just a random guy" but when that comes from Blizzard, and not just forum people, it's a big problem for the future of the game.

People think "it's just flying, no big deal" but this thread fast got 24 pages and people obviously care a lot about these things. It's not about flying really, it's about Blizzard making choices for us and force us to a certain game style, that so many people are against.

[Missed]

Now you are defending Blizzard choice for the sake of defending Blizzard. It's not about that, it's about game quality. A game like WoW has so many ways to be played. Some people raid, some do dungeons, some quest and care about story etc, some do PvP and some do all of it. Personally, I don't like questing, story, lore, leveling etc, I want max level as fast as possible so I can start to raid as soon as possible.

WoW is 14 years old this year and STILL they stick to a 2004 model, with the same concept. The "level and quest experience" so to speak should not be mandatory, or at least it should be MORE optional and to fly, would make it smoother for us who just want the leveling experience done.

Those who care about quests and leveling Don't have to fly! Why do they take away choice from us players!

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The whole point is to have flying from start. Once I hit 110 I never travel anywhere. I either queue for something or get summoned to raids/dungeons etc. I don't really need flying once I get to 110, but I DO need it in the start, where you actually have to level up and do quests etc.

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Could not say it better myself.

The terrains since MoP have been a mess. So extremely awful to navigate and get around in. If the zones were better, I might not have complained about no fly but it seems whoever design the worlds are here to say, as WoD was even worse than MoP and Legion was worse than WoD. So the quick solution to Blizzards god awful mapping is to allow us to fly. The fanboys can enjoy the ground-content if they want.

"Running in game is so 2004"

Mmochamp 2018

Your input is noted. You want to afk while flying straight to each quest target the fastest way possible.
Luckily your view is not shared by game designers. Thanks for the input though.

Yes things were so much better back in vanilla where we had such compelling zones as desolace, the Barrens or the badlands...

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They neglect us who want flying at ALL times, ESPECIALLY at the START of the expansion. I don't care if I get flying later, then leveling is done anyway and I am in the city between raids that I get summoned to. Don't really need fly beyond the start.

Such is life. Unjust. I can't see no other option for you other than leaving the game.

Best of luck.

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That is the very wrong attitude that has been a plague to this game for a long time. No offence, but that comment is a typical fanboy comment, where Blizzards mistakes are defended, and instead of solving the problems, you work around them.

If you have a disease, and you can chose, do you want to treat it or cure it? Same goes here, we want a cure (solution) to the problems Blizzard provide us with, not just a treatment (way to deal with the problem).

"No flying is a mistake"

Mmochamp 2018

[Battlebeard]

"Running in game is so 2004"

Mmochamp 2018

Your input is noted. You want to afk while flying straight to each quest target the fastest way possible.
Luckily your view is not shared by game designers. Thanks for the input though.

Yes things were so much better back in vanilla where we had such compelling zones as desolace, the Barrens or the badlands...

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Such is life. Unjust. I can't see no other option for you other than leaving the game.

Best of luck.

Why do you feel the need to show such disrespect toward my opinion? Do you think you are like a messenger of Blizzard who know what's good for the game and what people want?

If you want to debate this subject, do so, but you treat me like a child who's opinions are just "ye, ye ye, more whine". This thread would not have gotten 24 pages, and there would not be a debate EVERY single expansion about this IF everyone though like you.

I am NOT alone on this, I am not the only one who hate the lack of flying, so to speak the way you do is unjustified.

[Blackmist]

REEEE time for another million page thread.

[Missed]

Why do you feel the need to show such disrespect toward my opinion? Do you think you are like a messenger of Blizzard who know what's good for the game and what people want?

If you want to debate this subject, do so, but you treat me like a child who's opinions are just "ye, ye ye, more whine". This thread would not have gotten 24 pages, and there would not be a debate EVERY single expansion about this IF everyone though like you.

I am NOT alone on this, I am not the only one who hate the lack of flying, so to speak the way you do is unjustified.

When you're able to put forward an argument without resorting to ridiculous points like "running is old" or "no flying is a mistake" or "I'm not alone in this" I'll be more than happy to debate.
So far you haven't been able to however.

So yeah, up your game if you don't want to be laughed at.

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Hehe, that is what I thought, but this thread is actually already three months old. And for that pretty tame at under 500 replies (apparently most of them by the guys who want flying immediately)

Oh yeah compared to similar threads in the past this is a breath of fresh air ahah