Why legion was probably the worst expansion ever

[Gardoc]

thats the thing, alot of people in PVP just want to curb stomp people, and now that stuff is on a more even playing feild, they cant curb stomp with their 50 more ilvl.

Well I can still do that with your perfectly balanced template shit. I just have to roll frost DK. Or DH. Or get a mythic gear because 5% stat increase is a lot in PVP.

[Deleted]

Lolwut. Why do I feel like this is bait?

The Leveling was some of the best we've ever had.
I geared up easier than any Expansion previous to Legion.
Mythic+ gave me more non-raid challenge than I've had ever in WoW.
I always felt a sense of Progression since I was always able to work towards something to make my character stronger.
LFR is meant to be a Joke and as such If you think it is go do "actual" Raids.

And even in LFR you wipe a few times on some bosses if the group is not on their best. I remember LFR's in previous expantion actually being pushovers

[Gaidax]

You seem just as much of a "troll" that OP with that logic. I don't think neither of you troll, but you can't praise your opinions like they are fact and denounce the OP.

Of course I can, he is objectively one of those butthurt trolls bothered by the fact people are actually enjoying Legion, so he's out to pour some undeserved shit on it or even worse, simply toss his shit bomb in forum and enjoy the ensuing flamefest.

That's why the outlandish title to begin with, just to trigger people.

[FelPlague]

Well I can still do that with your perfectly balanced template shit. I just have to roll frost DK. Or DH. Or get a mythic gear because 5% stat increase is a lot in PVP.

5% is not alot, it does help, but 5% is not going to make or break a game. compared to what 50 ilvl used to do, where you would have double the health of someone

[Lochton]

Sorry, but I disagree with you fully. I don't think we played the same expansion.

[Gardoc]

5% is not alot, it does help, but 5% is not going to make or break a game. compared to what 50 ilvl used to do, where you would have double the health of someone

Well before Legion there was this one thing called PVP gear. So you just had to farm that and you were done. There was nobody in the game with better gear for PVP. And 5% can win you an arena easily, especially at higher ratings where players make almost no mistakes so it's all about the numbers.

[Kanegasi]

... except for wod?

Nope. There was no issues with any expansion. As I said, if there really was a bad expansion, we would’ve seen a lot more than a simple dip on a graph. You can’t rank a pile of things with a wide range of good and bad.

[Arakakao]

[FelPlague]

Well before Legion there was this one thing called PVP gear. So you just had to farm that and you were done. There was nobody in the game with better gear for PVP. And 5% can win you an arena easily, especially at higher ratings where players make almost no mistakes so it's all about the numbers.

"Nobody in the game with better gear for pvp" except for all those people with 100% pvp gear well the rest had less then that.
also yes 5% can make a difference in top end glad play but not to the average palyer.

[DSRilk]

We played the same game, but we have two vastly different opinions. If you get upset by someone elses opinion then a message board isn't for you.

I'm sorry, but your statements go far beyond a difference of opinion and delve very deeply into factually incorrect. As a casual solo player...

I remember one or two that didn't have the right quest marker, but other than that, I had no issue. As to quest XP, I hit level cap well before I had done all the zones - How exactly is hitting level cap before you finish the content "abysmal experience"?

Gearing up was a non-issue. I didn't even try, it just happened. I certainly didn't buy anything off the auction house except for two bracers for a crafting quest. And I didn't craft my own gear except to get the mog for it. Crafting them was, as always, pointless - something you could have ACTUALLY validly complained about. I also only ran each dungeon once for the "story" as it were. Gearing was dirt simple and came from world quests for me. The wall for iLvL was pretty high from World Quests. Certainly less than you needed for LFR.

Everything you mentioned related to those things above is just factually wrong.

That said, your remaining complaints were that the game was too grindy, too easy (questing and LFR), and that legendaries were random. Any game designed to be played forever is going to get grindy - I don't like it, but that's why I usually play single player RPGs. As to challenge, though I'd like the game to be more difficult, it's not designed to be a challenge (for most of us) during questing or in LFR. The fact that you're confused by this at this point makes little sense to me. As to random legendaries... sure, you have a reasonable argument there. It felt a bit more like Diablo. There's also a reasonable argument in the other direction. Sure, it's a design decision I wouldn't have made, but I can't see how it makes anything horrible, much less makes the whole expansion bad.

Overall I had fun with Legion. I really liked the continuing storylines (such as those in Suramar), and the fact that I always felt like I could progress in terms of character (ability and stat) development. My complaints are the stupid mission board (though not as horrible as last expansion), 99% of crafting being pointless, and time gating. Those are annoyances though - other than time gating, which I deal with by unsubbing for blocks of time, those are all just annoyances.

[Gardoc]

"Nobody in the game with better gear for pvp" except for all those people with 100% pvp gear well the rest had less then that.
also yes 5% can make a difference in top end glad play but not to the average palyer.

So what? It took you like one week in WOD to get full PVP gear. And that was the casual way in Ashran. If you did arenas it was even faster. Why should people who do 0 PVP have the same gear (or even better if you raid) than PVP players?

[slime]

Legion was the second worst xpac after WoD (imo). But, for none of the reasons you state in your post OP. I don't even know where you got this.

[FelPlague]

So what? It took you like one week in WOD to get full PVP gear. And that was the casual way in Ashran. If you did arenas it was even faster. Why should people who do 0 PVP have the same gear (or even better if you raid) than PVP players?

"One week" no, no it didnt... are you saying to get enough conquest points to buy all the best pvp gear took one week? yeah no... no it didnt...

[edw]

Legion, in my opinion, is one of the best expansions, on the same spot with wotlk. But hey it's ok to have a different stand on it.

[cuafpr]

i'm one of the rare ones that think legion was just OK, and that WoD was pretty good. For me leveling in legion was/is the worst to date, its also the first time i haven't leveled most of my alts to max level due to that. I despise scaling to no end to the point i'm debating boosting my 100's to 110 just to get them there and do a few max level things i'd like to try like mage tower challenges for a few class/specs. i also spend vastly less time in legion than i did WoD playing the game.

i'm well aware i'm in the minority and happy for those that love the changes

[Xtrm]

Bahaha, I seem to have wandered into the bait shop. I'll see myself out.

[Gardoc]

"One week" no, no it didnt... are you saying to get enough conquest points to buy all the best pvp gear took one week? yeah no... no it didnt...

Yes it did (if you weren't limited by the CP cap). Btw you still haven't answered my question. Why should people who do 0 PVP have the same gear (or even better if you raid) than PVP players?

[Daedius]

I would say Legion is the worst but i bet most people love it.

I place Legion at the bottom of the barrel, of all expansions, simply because of how Blizzard made the game a fucking grindfest with RNG saturated in every crevice of its being that completely overshadows all the positives about it.

All the changes made in Legion, was to artificially inflate the logged in time of players. And sadly they're carrying that over into BfA, minus legendaries.

I honestly like how when someone criticises their game they immediately call them trolls, and refute with "no it's not!"...

[Prime92]

Did we play the same expansion? Just unsub and leave, no need to lie on MMOchamp and make out the game to be far worse than it is. No one cares.

So it's perfectly OK to praise expansions, designers or studio for w/e they do, yet whenever someone posts something they feel went wrong there's always some hero who tells them to shut up, unsub and be gone. He's not lying, he's stating his experience with the game, so seriously dude, eat a dick.
On the side note, I disagree with "the bad" paragraph, but "the ugly" is completely true. He's tottaly right about LFR being a joke since 2011, PvP has objectively the lowest participation ever, he's right about "legendary" items basically being reward for logging in. So once again Benett, choke on a dick.

[Nfinitii]

So most of the players here seems to be praising legion to the skies, they can barely point out any problems with the expansion, and they have only positive words to say about it, to a point where it starts to become a little bit weird and slightly delusional.

I have a somewhat different opinion about legion, so im going to give my honest review of the game, just to throw some counterweight out there.

The Good

The storyline was decent. Blizzard makes some epic cinematics, and legion was no exception.

The Bad

Leveling was an awful experience. The quests were horribly bugged, would often guide you to a completely wrong location and they gave an absolute abysmal amount of experience. The content was rugged to a point where you would often have to take a detour just to get to the desired location.

This is straight up bad game design, but it doesnt stop at that.

Gearing up was a pain in the ass for a solo player after the expansion came out. As a solo player, you would have to go through an unecesarry amount of time waste just to get good enough gear for LFR. The quest rewards were so terrible that you would have to go through a ton of toxic random dungeons, use your professions to craft almost all your own gear, buy your gear from the auction house and you would constantly hit a wall trying to raise your ilvl.

It honestly didn't feel like a challenge, it just felt like you were wasting more time than you should gearing up. People were complaining about it so blizzard "adressed" it by letting you buy the gear instead with nethershards.

This is a similarily bad game design to mists of pandaria, where you had to run around and kill frogs that would one shot you with poison. Theres no sense of progression, you just do the same mindless repetitive actions again and again to grind whatever currency blizzard wants you to grind.

The Ugly

LFR is a joke. I realize that its supposed to be for beginners, but seriously. LFR in legion is so mind-numbingly boring and easy that you could literally go out in the kitchen, make a cup of coffe, come back and then pick up your loot. The bosses in LFR are masochists; they don't fight you back, they are just waiting with a cheeky smile for you to come and kill them and grab their treasure.

PvP is problably the worst of any expansion.

Legendaries. We're being showered with them. I got my first legendary completely random from a boss in LFR. I didnt do anything to earn it myself, it just dropped randomly.

So im not going to go through a long questline, beat one of the hardest bosses in the game or do anything at all to rightfully earn myself a legendary? I just buy a lottery ticket and bam, theres my legendary. Are you kidding me?!

What's the point if you are just going to shower us with the best items in the game?

Well that's my 2 cents, you may agree or disagree with. I haven't had a worse time playing wow for a seriously long time, and honestly, while playing legion, i had several occassions where i thought blizzard is wasting my time on purpose just so my subscription runs out so they can make some more money.

While some of the players here can barely get their hands down from excitement, i have to say that for me, legion was problably one of the worst expansions ever made in the franchise.

U talk from the perspective of a solo player, this is a mmo rpg ur not suppose to go at it alone. It's doesn't matter how good/bad an expansion is, it's always way more enjoyable w/ friends.