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In this context, its everything they need to know. Weird plague appears in the east and some never-before seen (barely)inteligent beings appear on your continent and start encroaching to the north.

Hey, maybe they are not evi- oh they cut down some trees MAIM KILL BURN!

Since you are speaking about context, the chapter also explicitly says their demigod, Cenarius, had also been observing them and considered them the Legion's servants because of the presence of demon blood in their veins;

Cenarius had also been watching the newcomers, and he smelled the demon blood in their veins. Thinking that the green-skinned creatures were Legion servants, Cenarius attacked them alongside the night elves.

Furthermore, the text on the next page also says that;

Mannoroth’s mere presence in Ashenvale had already started affecting the orcs, particularly Grommash Hellscream and his Warsongs. Being near the pit lord had made them increasingly violent and aggressive. Their unbridled fury had drawn them into a war with Cenarius. The orcs stood no chance of winning, unless they had more power.

But as I said earlier, I am not here to influence your judgments. And I think I have spoiled enough information that any of you have enough room to work with when forming one.

[Verdugo]

And Medivh is all over the place.

Remember what was the catalyst for that meeting before the final battle at Hyjal? Malfurion had a vision where some weird raven talked to him.

Medivh could literaly talk to the Night Elf druids at any time, he decided that the best time would be after enough animosity was created between the two factions.

[FriendOrTraitor]

Remember what was the catalyst for that meeting before the final battle at Hyjal? Malfurion had a vision where some weird raven talked to him.

Medivh could literaly talk to the Night Elf druids at any time, he decided that the best time would be after enough animosity was created between the two factions.

He honestly should've been talking to the elves far in advance. Maybe encourage them to set up defenses/lodgings for the incoming refugees from the EK. The powers of prophecy do not require intelligence.

[Doffen]

But this is quite clearly told from Tyrande's perspective, it's not unbiased narration. Just the fact that it's told "the orcs made war on the forests" and then merely mention woodlands and trees says it all.

Accusing someone of waging war on you when that couldn't realistically be the intent of someone who has no idea of your existence is inherently misguided and shows an equal amount of ignorance.

But thats not how it works. It's all about context. And now Chronicle states the obvious. It's the "biased" version of Blizzards Night Elves. And now it's written down.

[united]

Sorry that no one can be as unbiased as you Highwale.

Highwhale?? Hold up spill the tea

[Friendlyimmolation]

Highwhale?? Hold up spill the tea

Just classic ban evasion if Verdugo was right

[LazarusLong]

He honestly should've been talking to the elves far in advance. Maybe encourage them to set up defenses/lodgings for the incoming refugees from the EK. The powers of prophecy do not require intelligence.

Medivh clearly despised this useluess race that cannot be trusted to fight legion

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The artwork shows so far seems the weakest of the 3 books

[Zulkhan]

This wasn't some simple trespass that the Orcs committed, they felled spirits and forest that were part of the NE culture. While I am not saying that I agree with their course of action and I certainly do think the Orcs were right to defend themselves, the Orcs were not innocent in this situation.

Point is, the impossibility for Orcs to acknowledge these things make outright impossible the idea they could have waged war or stole something when nothing barely hinted the existence of a civilization in a forest that seemed, by all conceivable means, untamed. If you don't care about making your existence and right of property noticeable than you have no right to come and kill people right away; the actual reasonable reaction would be surround the trepassers and offer them an ultimatum.

Chronicle is told through the eyes of an omnious narrator, so unless the sentence specifically says that a character X thought, expected, believed, etc that, it is general narration. The next does not say Tyrande realized she was wrong, it bluntly and explicitly says she was wrong and an then explains why. It's clear what the writer's intention was.

It's narration told from Tyrande's perspective nonetheless. The use of terms like "green-skinned" orcs fits someone who's not familiar with the creatures, hardly the case of the actual ominiscient narrator; the same applies to "stealing from the woodlands without asking", since only the Night Elves could acknowledge the act of harvesting lumber in the forests as "stealing" (since they obviously know Ashenvale belonged to them but such wasn't the case for any other) or felling the trees with "reckless abandon" (which, again, fits the Night Elves' mentality and way to judge these matters). This is, of course, not an unique case. The Chronicle volumes often follow the individual stories of certain characters and try to tell certain events from the perspective of those characters, often and quickly shifting from one to another.

The told events are fact, yes. The individual perspectives are not.

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But thats not how it works. It's all about context. And now Chronicle states the obvious. It's the "biased" version of Blizzards Night Elves. And now it's written down.

And the biased version of Night Elves remain. It hasn't become gospel just because Chronicle wrote it down in a more comprehensible manner.

[FriendOrTraitor]

Point is, the impossibility for Orcs to acknowledge these things make outright impossible the idea they could have waged war or stole something when nothing barely hinted the existence of a civilization in a forest that seemed, by all conceivable means, untamed. If you don't care about making your existence and right of property noticeable than you have no right to come and kill people right away; the actual reasonable reaction would be surround the trepassers and offer them an ultimatum.

But why would the Night Elves do that? Even without the Chronicle tell us so, Cenarius and the Night Elves clearly thought of the Orcs as being part of the Burning Legion. Why would they offer their greatest enemy an ultimatum? If anything, the Orcs should've been more wary. Kalimdor was an alien land and one that clearly hosted intelligent life.

Regardless, Medivh was the one to really screw things up.

[Zulkhan]

But why would the Night Elves do that? Even without the Chronicle tell us so, Cenarius and the Night Elves clearly thought of the Orcs as being part of the Burning Legion.

No, they didn't. Not the Night Elves, at least. It was Cenarius alone who "smelled" the demon blood from the Orcs, that's why he decided to join a fight the Night Elves already started without such knowledge.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The artwork shows so far seems the weakest of the 3 books

Wei is gone and it shows. But I don’t think the art is bad, just not as good.

[Zulkhan]

If anything, the Orcs should've been more wary. Kalimdor was an alien land and one that clearly hosted intelligent life.

There's little the Orcs could have done, considered the Night Elves' infamous talent for elusiveness and moreso within their own lands.

[Syegfryed]

There's little the Orcs could have done, considered the Night Elves' infamous talent for elusiveness and moreso within their own lands.

what did you mean you didn't noticed me when im literally invisible with my racial ?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

lmao retconing so tyrande look less of a douche and more a good girl, this chronicle is looking more and more like a joke

I’m Not sure it makes her look good, trying to kill some one for touching a tree is still a dick move.

[Aucald]

I’m Not sure it makes her look good, trying to kill some one for touching a tree is still a dick move.

It's a bit more complex than that - Ashenvale is a sacred forest to the Night Elves, and lumbering it would be tantamount to someone bulldozing a church or flattening a spiritual sanctuary from their perspective. It's a bit of a values dissonance thing, the Orcs couldn't really have known that but for the Night Elves it was a pretty big deal.

[Verdugo]

It's a bit more complex than that - Ashenvale is a sacred forest to the Night Elves, and lumbering it would be tantamount to someone bulldozing a church or flattening a spiritual sanctuary from their perspective. It's a bit of a values dissonance thing, the Orcs couldn't really have known that but for the Night Elves it was a pretty big deal.

Maybe if they tried to hang corpses instead of windchimes from the trees, it would be a much clearer message.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It's a bit more complex than that - Ashenvale is a sacred forest to the Night Elves, and lumbering it would be tantamount to someone bulldozing a church or flattening a spiritual sanctuary from their perspective. It's a bit of a values dissonance thing, the Orcs couldn't really have known that but for the Night Elves it was a pretty big deal.

It’s really no different, the night elfs are willing to trade lumber as we see in cata. As it is now they see refugees then instead of trying to help or just telling them to bugger off they wait till they start cutting down trees then attack. The night elfs are dicks here there’s no way around that.

[Aucald]

Maybe if they tried to hang corpses instead of windchimes from the trees, it would be a much clearer message.

Not really in the aesthetic of the Night Elves, but it would've probably sent a clearer message all the same.

[Arrashi]

Not really in the aesthetic of the Night Elves, but it would've probably sent a clearer message all the same.

Chances are they would hang their own on those trees. Night elves are known for such mistakes.