Anduin letter to Sylvanas

[Polygons]

Yes, and after that the Horde will get Humans.

I'll quote this when Alliance gets undead

[Hubbl3]

I'll quote this when Alliance gets undead

Yes? Why not?

[Arrashi]

King isn't capitalized either - and it is what I came to expect from Chrissie Golden ever since I tried to read her Arthas book. Yuk!

Makes you wonder if someone is actually reading and editing it first before sending it to printing.

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Amazon gave us a preview for a while (until they took it down for some reason, probably Golden complained). That was a rather long preview since they gave each account a few random pages - and it took little time before people compared and combined their preview pages for a more completed view (IIRC, ended up with almost a thirdth / fourth of the book + you can use their search function to read more than that), so people got the main idea of most of the major events. The preview is no longer available, but I believe WoWhead still keep their collections of ~80 pages here (click) that you can read if you want to check them out, the second half meeting included (missed the first half, though).

Oh thanks

[FelPlague]

Pretty sure he's Lawful Mary Sue.

I think you dont know what a mary sue is, because he is not a mary sue is really many words of the term.

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Eyir is already enslaved by Odyn. Sylvanas was only freeing her and giving her an option to have a female master instead of a male master who probably sexually harasses her. Sylvanas can use Eyir to fight the Legion too. Odyn would just say "o well.. Eyir wasn't strong enough"

Uhhh what kind of tumblr level fanon is this.

[Wyrt]

I think you dont know what a mary sue is, because he is not a mary sue is really many words of the term.

Only part he doesn't fit is the fanfiction part of it and the term has long moved on from applying solely to fanfiction characters.

[Trbn]

Attacking ships in stormheim.

We are not at war.

Next level of blizzard writing D:

[FelPlague]

Obviously not, as she allows the Forsaken who wish to participate to be there. I think she's more keen to see how far this kind of sentimentality goes in the ranks of the Forsaken - and probably a part of her is hoping to see the embers of hope or reconciliation be stomped cold by the reality of the situation.

That or they were annoyances to her, political opposition she settup so she could kill them off and look liek the good guy?
ahs she did kill those even coming back to her.

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Although I have to mention that Anduin has insanely good handwriting. So I suppose two steps forward, one step back?

You do know the W is on blizzard side its the summery not the actual letter.

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Only part he doesn't fit is the fanfiction part of it and the term has long moved on from applying solely to fanfiction characters.

No, no it hasent, he is not anything like a mary sue... One second.



Everyone likes, loves and or respects him.
He is practically invincible until the "last battle against the shadow begins".
He can decide whether if he can fight or not.
He can mass-heal an entire army and put his enemies in awe.
He acknowledges his injuries but never suffers at any sort of potential from them.
Barely has any flaws.
Became leader of the Alliance -immediately- after his father's death.
Displayed as the "messiah" character of the game.


1. No, lots of people dislike him and dont respect him
2. No he is not we dont know for sure he could die tomortow for all we know
3. i dont even get this point
4. tons of people in wow universe can do this, sylvanas is a mary sue then as she was able to shriek and disable an entire blood elf army
5. what even?
6. yes, this happens alot, and he is not a great king, he is still learning.
7. no, he really isnt, medan, illidan, khadgar, and our players ar,e but not anduin.


- Is a chosen one - false
- Has prophecy granting him plot armor - false
- Is favored by one of big cosmic forces - True but so are ALOT of people
- Has ability to turn people into his friends - w..what? So people who make friends are mary sues..?
- Respected even by enemies - lol so baine, thrall, voljin, all mary sues too then
- Fucking invincible - no, no he isnt, sylvanas is if anything
- Capable of pulling miracles - i.. i mean we are in a world of gods and magic.. yeah
- Teenage boy - teenagers are mary sues now? Arthas was only early 20s when he became the lich king, also alexander the great was 20
- Good looking - w...what? so is like everyone in wow...
- Has some weird power (aka bone of human potential) - wtf is even this?
- People older than him learn from him - I dont... What?

[Doffen]

Attacking ships in stormheim.

We are not at war.

Next level of blizzard writing D:

Attacking and being at war is two different things. Conflict? Sure.

So what's the next name for Anduin? Grammaruin? Cantspelluin? Nocapitalletteruin?

[Wyrt]

No, no it hasent, he is not anything like a mary sue... One second.

You mean aside from being an idealized, chosen one, with perfectly looks, who's wise beyond his years, elevated to positions beyond his experience, beloved and respected by all his allies, who's only flaws are being too good and pure for this sinful world, who pulls new abilities out of his ass, and even when he gets hurt it only makes him stronger?

[Hubbl3]

2. No he is not we dont know for sure he could die tomortow for all we know

So the comic with him leading the Army of Light was officially retconned?

[FelPlague]

You mean aside from being an idealized, chosen one, with perfectly looks, who's wise beyond his years, elevated to positions beyond his experience, beloved and respected by all his allies, who's only flaws are being too good and pure for this sinful world, who pulls new abilities out of his ass, and even when he gets hurt it only makes him stronger?

Idealized, hes not.
Chosen one? So was illidan and arthus and kalethas, and kiljaden, and archimonde, and guldan, and sarg- you get the point
perfect looks? fucking everyone in wow has perfect looks the fuck you talking about?
wise beyond his years? in some things yes, in others no, also he was raised by the literal fucking king, and hes a spellcaster, yeah hes gunna be smart..
Alexander the great was 20 when he became king, does that mean he was fake?
He is not beloved and respected by all his allies, also being friends with people does not make you a mary sue, no wonder you have no friends, worried you will become fake and fade from existance.
Flaws are being too good? hes niave, hes an idiot sometimes, he is too prideful, he is scared, he is weak, he lets himself be pushed around too often, he cant stand up to genn, he has no experiance and he is too easy on the horde.
pulls new abilities out of his ass? what? when? mind showing me the last time he just pulled a new ability out of his ass?
Oh you know who does pull new abilities out of her ass.. A specific queen of the banshees who suddenly out of no where turns corporeal and sucks the souls from those aroudn her...
Lol when he got hurt it made him weaker not stronger, also we have seen him hurt once, again all these can be applied to sylvanas to make her EVEN MORE of a mary sue


Idealized yep
shes the chosen one yep
perfect looks? Shes undead and she still looks like that
Wise beyond her years? Sure lets pull that outta no where for no reason
Elebated to positions beyond her experiance? Yeah!
beloved and respected by her allies? Fuck yeah, for randomly no reason too!
Flaws are too good and pure for this sunful world? Yeah sure, she can do no wrong as you and many others have stated
Pulls new abilities out of her ass? all the time
Gets hurt makes her stronger? yeah shes died 3 times and come back stronger every time.

[Trbn]

Attacking and being at war is two different things. Conflict? Sure.

So murder attempt of a faction leader is not an act of war?

[Verdugo]

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FelPlague getting butthurt that someone called his husbando a mary sue.

So murder attempt of a faction leader is not an act of war?

Only when horde does it.

[FelPlague]

So the comic with him leading the Army of Light was officially retconned?

The comic yes, there is 2 key points.

1. it is BEFORE he returns to the broken shore, but somehow he has his fathers sword back. He did not get that till he returned to the broken shore.
2. Blizzard is pointing us to a future where we will fight the shadow and the light, and do you really think blizzard is going to have the game going for so long that anduin grows old and then we go fight the final shadow boss?
Also we have had many other visions turn out wrong.
Velen has had wrong visions
hell even killrog's vision was wrong, he did not die an orc on the battle feild against the horde and alliance he died a fel corrupted mess within the hellfire citidal against one of the factions.

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Attacking and being at war is two different things. Conflict? Sure.

So what's the next name for Anduin? Grammaruin? Cantspelluin? Nocapitalletteruin?

I still havent seen a single person show me in the letter where this non capitalized word is, because in the summery that is not anduin writing, that is blizzard writing a summery, ALSO having asked multiple of the Rp discords everyone agreed that it would not be capitalized

[omeomorfismo]

That or they were annoyances to her, political opposition she settup so she could kill them off and look liek the good guy?
ahs she did kill those even coming back to her.

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You do know the W is on blizzard side its the summery not the actual letter.

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No, no it hasent, he is not anything like a mary sue... One second.



Everyone likes, loves and or respects him.
He is practically invincible until the "last battle against the shadow begins".
He can decide whether if he can fight or not.
He can mass-heal an entire army and put his enemies in awe.
He acknowledges his injuries but never suffers at any sort of potential from them.
Barely has any flaws.
Became leader of the Alliance -immediately- after his father's death.
Displayed as the "messiah" character of the game.


1. No, lots of people dislike him and dont respect him
2. No he is not we dont know for sure he could die tomortow for all we know
3. i dont even get this point
4. tons of people in wow universe can do this, sylvanas is a mary sue then as she was able to shriek and disable an entire blood elf army
5. what even?
6. yes, this happens alot, and he is not a great king, he is still learning.
7. no, he really isnt, medan, illidan, khadgar, and our players ar,e but not anduin.


- Is a chosen one - false
- Has prophecy granting him plot armor - false
- Is favored by one of big cosmic forces - True but so are ALOT of people
- Has ability to turn people into his friends - w..what? So people who make friends are mary sues..?
- Respected even by enemies - lol so baine, thrall, voljin, all mary sues too then
- Fucking invincible - no, no he isnt, sylvanas is if anything
- Capable of pulling miracles - i.. i mean we are in a world of gods and magic.. yeah
- Teenage boy - teenagers are mary sues now? Arthas was only early 20s when he became the lich king, also alexander the great was 20
- Good looking - w...what? so is like everyone in wow...
- Has some weird power (aka bone of human potential) - wtf is even this?
- People older than him learn from him - I dont... What?

lol?
literally there is a comic in distant future where he is old and alive, chief of the light army. plot armor and chosen one all in one!
and what defense would be "but even other character fit that thing" when the problem is that he fits all the things concurrently

[FelPlague]

lol?
literally there is a comic in distant future where he is old and alive, chief of the light army. plot armor and chosen one all in one!
and what defense would be "but even other character fit that thing" when the problem is that he fits all the things concurrently

except the comic allready only a year in has 2 massive defects that makes it seem highly non canon.
1. it is BEFORE he returns to the broken shore, but somehow he has his fathers sword back. He did not get that till he returned to the broken shore.
2. Blizzard is pointing us to a future where we will fight the shadow and the light, and do you really think blizzard is going to have the game going for so long that anduin grows old and then we go fight the final shadow boss?

also he doesent fit very many of those, you can strech and make ANYONE fit all of those.

[Wyrt]

Idealized, hes not.
Chosen one? So was illidan and arthus and kalethas, and kiljaden, and archimonde, and guldan, and sarg- you get the point
perfect looks? fucking everyone in wow has perfect looks the fuck you talking about?
wise beyond his years? in some things yes, in others no, also he was raised by the literal fucking king, and hes a spellcaster, yeah hes gunna be smart..
Alexander the great was 20 when he became king, does that mean he was fake?
He is not beloved and respected by all his allies, also being friends with people does not make you a mary sue, no wonder you have no friends, worried you will become fake and fade from existance.
Flaws are being too good? hes niave, hes an idiot sometimes, he is too prideful, he is scared, he is weak, he lets himself be pushed around too often, he cant stand up to genn, he has no experiance and he is too easy on the horde.
pulls new abilities out of his ass? what? when? mind showing me the last time he just pulled a new ability out of his ass?
Oh you know who does pull new abilities out of her ass.. A specific queen of the banshees who suddenly out of no where turns corporeal and sucks the souls from those aroudn her...
Lol when he got hurt it made him weaker not stronger, also we have seen him hurt once, again all these can be applied to sylvanas to make her EVEN MORE of a mary sue

Yes, he is idealized. Incredibly so.

He is a Chosen One. So much so that Velen, they guy who swore off prophecy, is maintaining Anduin's prophecy for some unknown reason. Oh, and it's not just prophecy since his comic literally shows the future so he has invincible plot armor until the end of time.

Vereesa specifically commented on Anduin being handsome, something that not every character has.

I'm not talking about him being King of Stormwind. I'm talking about him being made High King, which is a military position as per Blizzard's own word.

Yes, he is beloved by all his allies, they made him High King ffs. He's even well respected by enemies like Baine and Saurfang.

When has he been prideful exactly? Is he inexperienced? Because he was just made head military leader of the Alliance. lol@weak, he's one of the strongest Light users in Warcraft lore and he hasn't done a damn thing to earn it either.

He pulled new abilities out of his ass in the cinematic. He was supposed to be bad at melee combat, that was his 1 flaw.

That 1 time he got hurt gave him the ability to sense danger like he's fucking spiderman.

[Trbn]

Only when horde does it.

Just member according to this forum how it was ok to purge sunreavers coz of assisting in retrieving doombell and that was considered as hostile act of war.

And now attacking warchief == local conflict

[Hubbl3]

except the comic allready only a year in has 2 massive defects that makes it seem highly non canon.
1. it is BEFORE he returns to the broken shore, but somehow he has his fathers sword back. He did not get that till he returned to the broken shore.
2. Blizzard is pointing us to a future where we will fight the shadow and the light, and do you really think blizzard is going to have the game going for so long that anduin grows old and then we go fight the final shadow boss?

also he doesent fit very many of those, you can strech and make ANYONE fit all of those.

Or Blizz just forgets lore again. You are right, in that case anyone can die or come back at any time.