White guy acting as Martin Luther King Jr in a movie

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Only non hawaian for obvious reasons. Gods were not born in Hawai, were they?

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No, because I understand the point of the story. Oppressed group of people is fighting against the oppressors. We've seen it a plethora of times in different movies. Focusing on MLK blackness is RACIST.

The hawian god were.

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This topic is not a debate about race or skin color. This is about the socially accepted limits for movies, tv shows and videogames.

Recently we are seeing lots of diversity in tv series, movies and videogames like for example: Troy series with black guy acting as Achilles, an African-Polish mix race woman acting as ethnically French national hero Joan of arc and Margaret queen of England, which is being acted by a mix-raced woman.

Would it be okay and should a white guy act as a Martin Luther King Jr. in a potential tv show, movie or a videogame in the future? Would you be okay with that? Is there a limit what should or should not be done? Or is it just a movie and everything is okay?

No, having a white MLK would be unacceptable. Do you even know what diversity means?

[ldev]

No, having a white MLK would be unacceptable. Do you even know what diversity means?

Hire/use/whatever white men only as last resort.

[josykay]

You mean like:
Troy series with black guy acting as Achilles, an African-Polish mix race woman acting as ethnically French national hero Joan of arc and Margaret queen of England, which is being acted by a mix-raced woman.
????

The point is, for none is the skin color actually important. A white Martin Luther King would not work, the same way like a black Jefferson Davis would be pretty much shitty.

[Magnagarde]

This is just ridiculous.

It's like having a history-based series featuring a black Hitler. It simply doesn't make sense.

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No, having a white MLK would be unacceptable. Do you even know what diversity means?

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noun
the state of being diverse.
"there was considerable diversity in the style of the reports"
a range of different things.
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I'd say that having a white guy in the middle of 100's of black people would be pretty diverse if you ask me.

[Themius]

Hire/use/whatever white men only as last resort.

Or don’t hire only white people because you don’t think minorities belong in your movies. And then say white peoples can stand in for all races of the world.

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Yeah, how come I didn't hear anything over Robert Downer in a blackface act?

Did this pre-date the current SJW craze?

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This is just ridiculous.

It's like having a history-based series featuring a black Hitler. It simply doesn't make sense.

Then why do we have a black Achilles? And a black Joan of arc?

Joan of Arc: https://shadowandact.com/condola-ras...rst-since-1968

Achilles : https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1408543/?ref_=tt_cl_t9

Queen Margeret: https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv...-Dominic-Cooke

[shaunika123]

Are you thick?

She wasn't queen because she was white, she was queen because she was English and of noble birth. That you equate those things says a lot about you.

Her being white changes nothing about her it is not an important character trait. Her being a woman is, because it changes the nature of how she experienced the world and the world experienced her.

Of course this is dependent on the context Of the story. Take as another example Mansa Musa. A story set within the confines of his Malian empire doesn't really require him to be of any colour in particular, he was an obscenely rich king who built a massive empire. However within the context of him as a Muslim on Hajj then his race becomes more important because the context of his story is defined by the nature of him being an outsider to the Arab majority through North Africa and Arabia.

This cannot be solved by a one size fits all solution, the merits of each character must be weighed on their own merit. However refusing to allow adaptation, recontextualizing or casting variations from a historical standard or from a fictional characters first appearance is needlessly limiting and harms our ability to enjoy both art and history.

are you serious right now?

england having a black king in 1485 wouldve been literally impossible.

what's hard to get about that?

thus elizabeth I being black is impossible.

not only was she not black, so it would be historically inaccurate, she could not have been black under any circumstance if you actually look at it rationally.

dont mix fictional characters with real ones.

real characters being played AS (not by) a different race is just flat out wrong and spits in the face of history.

Yeah, how come I didn't hear anything over Robert Downer in a blackface act?

Did this pre-date the current SJW craze?

well it did.

plus that was basically a joke

he played a white guy playing a black guy.

[Themius]

Then why do we have a black Achilles? And a black Joan of arc?

Joan of Arc: https://shadowandact.com/condola-ras...rst-since-1968

Achilles : https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1408543/?ref_=tt_cl_t9

Queen Margeret: https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv...-Dominic-Cooke

Confused why Achilles even matters.

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Confused why Achilles even matters.

Probably because he is a white guy from Greece and not a black man in history?

If you don't give a shit that any of the things I linked are historical white people being replaced by black people then you should not give as shit if MLK is replaced by a white guy.
If you are, you're a hypocrite.

[Cizr]

Yes it would be only fair. If you can cast French/Greek heroes as blacks you should be able to portrai MLK as white guy too. For diversity sake and social justice ofcourse

[ldev]

Or don’t hire only white people because you don’t think minorities belong in your movies. And then say white peoples can stand in for all races of the world.

Or hire best person for the job, don't give him points if he's not white and additional points if he's not a man.

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Anyways, mr Themius, even white people are better black people in movies, proof:

[Themius]

Probably because he is a white guy from Greece and not a black man in history?

If you don't give a shit that any of the things I linked are historical white people being replaced by black people then you should not give as shit if MLK is replaced by a white guy.
If you are, you're a hypocrite.

White guys grom Greece don’t really exist in that time frame. Too much race mixing.

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Or hire best person for the job, don't give him points if he's not white and additional points if he's not a man.

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Anyways, mr Themius, even white people are better black people in movies, proof:

White people are better black people than black people in movies?

Dumb things thinly veiled racist who play victims say for 800 please.

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White guys grom Greece don’t really exist in that time frame. Too much race mixing.

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White people are better black people than black people in movies?

Dumb things thinly veiled racist who play victims say for 800 please.

Please find me ANY picture or proof that Achilles was anything but a white guy and then we can talk further.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles

Till then you're being a hypocrite.

[Themius]

Please find me ANY picture or proof that Achilles was anything but a white guy and then we can talk further.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles

Till then you're being a hypocrite.

He’s a myth.

[Vertigo X]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme.../#74f37e295d49

I think this is somewhat fitting with this thread.

The logical leaps...

Their own examples contradict their point.

Its almost like a movie generates revenue based on quality of product and not how many minorities you can throw in it or how important those minorities are to the main plot.

Side note: Star wars has a thing called merchandise. The movie profits are pennies in a bucket. We're talking hundreds of billions of dollars.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

I probably wouldn’t watch the movie, but I’d read the hell out of the comments section.

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He’s a myth.

So is you being anything but a hypocrite on these forums but just like I believe in Achilles I also believe that you might not be for once.