[Spoilers] Holy Orcs

[Trassk]

May have wondered this before, but since newer information came out about upcoming events, it seemed a way to talk about it more.

So the information we have about mag'har orcs joining the horde is this.

Spoilers:

We're sent to AU draenor to recruit draenor orcs to join the horde. When arrive there its 30 years after the events of warlords of draenor, and in this alternative timeline (which would be in line with the current azeroth timeline, just in an alternative reality), the draenei lead by Yrel have used the light to bring orcs into their rule, either by choice or by force, making the orcs under their rule able to summon the light.

With durotan having lead a resistance against these draenei and their use of force to convert orcs to their fold, he was killed, and his daughter Geya'rah took over, leading the resistance. These are the orcs we bring into the current horde on azeroth, and guessing several of them (orc priests) were once shadowmoon orcs who the light forge draenei (Yrel's order) forced to follow the light, but joined Geya'rah's resistance and left to join the horde on azeroth.

This is a bit muddled considering, since this does actually give canon reason for these orcs to use holy magic, orc course like with a lot of upcoming allied races, having an orc like this, who was made a slave to the light by the light forged draenei, to now using that power against the alliance (but not before leveling to 100 and joining the priest order to help MU velen and other draenei who said orc should hate at this stage).

But, despite how muddled it all is, having orcs with holy magic (and shadow magic since they would have been shadowmoon orcs originally) does have at least some canon to it, more so then holy forsaken.

I'm so making a mag'har disc priest.

[Aucald]

I would imagine that before the Draenei on AU Draenor began strong-arming people into their cause there was period of free exchange of ideas, trade, and what-have you - a soft sell period where Orcs who desired tutelage in the usage of the Light could receive it from Draenic anchorites and so forth. These Mag'har Priests were probably the first wave of proselytizing to the Mag'har clans of Draenor, which probably then came into conflict with the Orcs' tribal beliefs and leanings, and then led into the situation we find ourselves in during our "visit" back to AU Draenor to recruit the Mag'har.

[Trassk]

I would imagine that before the Draenei on AU Draenor began strong-arming people into their cause there was period of free exchange of ideas, trade, and what-have you - a soft sell period where Orcs who desired tutelage in the usage of the Light could receive it from Draenic anchorites and so forth. These Mag'har Priests were probably the first wave of proselytizing to the Mag'har clans of Draenor, which probably then came into conflict with the Orcs' tribal beliefs and leanings, and then led into the situation we find ourselves in during our "visit" back to AU Draenor to recruit the Mag'har.

thats one way it could go yeah. But if light bound orcs are in conflict with the more native leaning orcs on draenor, how would they go from following the draenei, to following the native orcs again who are wet to join the horde under Geya'rah?

We can assume with most of the clan leaders dead, clans like the shadowmoon didn't have a leader and so were more easier to bring over to the draenei way of learning about the narru. What if this started the conflict, and as tensions built, yrel and her forces began to force the light on others instead of willingly partake in it.

[Maljinwo]

thats one way it could go yeah. But if light bound orcs are in conflict with the more native leaning orcs on draenor, how would they go from following the draenei, to following the native orcs again who are wet to join the horde under Geya'rah?

We can assume with most of the clan leaders dead, clans like the shadowmoon didn't have a leader and so were more easier to bring over to the draenei way of learning about the narru. What if this started the conflict, and as tensions built, yrel and her forces began to force the light on others instead of willingly partake in it.

I always thought that mag'har priests were just shadowmoon orcs who used the void. The light being on of those game mechanic thingies.
But it could also be that while they learned about the light, they also don't agree with what the AU Draenei are doing.

[Kyphael]

First thing that I thought of when I read the title: Orc paladins. That would be awesome!

[Aucald]

thats one way it could go yeah. But if light bound orcs are in conflict with the more native leaning orcs on draenor, how would they go from following the draenei, to following the native orcs again who are wet to join the horde under Geya'rah?

We can assume with most of the clan leaders dead, clans like the shadowmoon didn't have a leader and so were more easier to bring over to the draenei way of learning about the narru. What if this started the conflict, and as tensions built, yrel and her forces began to force the light on others instead of willingly partake in it.

I am thinking that the Shadowmoon are probably the ones that would most likely be the easiest to sway to the Light, having had their experiences with the Void and lost their chieftain to its corruption. For a time the Orcs probably were fine with their people expressing interest in the Light - and some who dabbled in it probably kept their Orcish traditions strong and weren't swayed into the Draenei way of thinking, as it were. The small subset who explored the use of the Light but also kept their Orcish pride and the importance of their heritage intact are probably who constitute the Mag'har Priesthood, but the rest went on to become Lightbound and eventually hostile to the their Mag'har peers. I can imagine Grommash reacting very negatively to the idea of a mass exodus of Orcs from the traditions of the Orcish clans, and he probably worked to put the breaks on this which might've also been part of the escalating tension, which then caused Yrel's zeal to come into the conflict.

[Lahis]

First thing that I thought of when I read the title: Orc paladins. That would be awesome!

Lightbound Orc Paladin for Alliance!

[Trassk]

Lightbound Orc Paladin for Alliance!

you realize the draenei on azeroth would probably be disgusted at what the lightbound are doing on AU draenor?

And given how the story is progressing along suggesting the narru aren't as good as people thought they were, this seems the foreshadowing of that.

[Grimbold21]

you realize the draenei on azeroth would probably be disgusted at what the lightbound are doing on AU draenor?

Let's not create any pretext to have a WoD.2 pls

[Aucald]

Let's not create any pretext to have a WoD.2 pls

It is probably too late for that, given that the black box of WoD has been reopened to introduce the Mag'har Allied Race.

[Flurryfang]

May have wondered this before, but since newer information came out about upcoming events, it seemed a way to talk about it more.

So the information we have about mag'har orcs joining the horde is this.

Spoilers:

We're sent to AU draenor to recruit draenor orcs to join the horde. When arrive there its 30 years after the events of warlords of draenor, and in this alternative timeline (which would be in line with the current azeroth timeline, just in an alternative reality), the draenei lead by Yrel have used the light to bring orcs into their rule, either by choice or by force, making the orcs under their rule able to summon the light.

With durotan having lead a resistance against these draenei and their use of force to convert orcs to their fold, he was killed, and his daughter Geya'rah took over, leading the resistance. These are the orcs we bring into the current horde on azeroth, and guessing several of them (orc priests) were once shadowmoon orcs who the light forge draenei (Yrel's order) forced to follow the light, but joined Geya'rah's resistance and left to join the horde on azeroth.

This is a bit muddled considering, since this does actually give canon reason for these orcs to use holy magic, orc course like with a lot of upcoming allied races, having an orc like this, who was made a slave to the light by the light forged draenei, to now using that power against the alliance (but not before leveling to 100 and joining the priest order to help MU velen and other draenei who said orc should hate at this stage).

But, despite how muddled it all is, having orcs with holy magic (and shadow magic since they would have been shadowmoon orcs originally) does have at least some canon to it, more so then holy forsaken.

I'm so making a mag'har disc priest.

Its a wierd thing, but if they are really going for the entire Light orcs against the Mag'thar, it only be lore correct if the Mag'thar were NOT priests. Because the reason they are called mag'thar in the AU timeline is because they are not lightbound or converted, so why they invite priests in between their ranks? They would proberly shun away all people who wield the light, as they have been terroized by the light-users for so long.

[Aucald]

Its a wierd thing, but if they are really going for the entire Light orcs against the Mag'thar, it only be lore correct if the Mag'thar were NOT priests. Because the reason they are called mag'thar in the AU timeline is because they are not lightbound or converted, so why they invite priests in between their ranks? They would proberly shun away all people who wield the light, as they have been terroized by the light-users for so long.

I think the reason they're called "Mag'har" in AU Draenor is the same reason they called Mag'har in Outland - they're the Orcs (the majority in this case) who didn't side with Gul'dan and didn't become Fel-corrupted during WoD. Their appellation as Mag'har doesn't have anything to do with the Light as that came later on in their respective timeline, and becoming a Priest or Paladin isn't seen as "corruption" in the Warcraft universe (at least not yet).

[Trassk]

Its a wierd thing, but if they are really going for the entire Light orcs against the Mag'thar, it only be lore correct if the Mag'thar were NOT priests. Because the reason they are called mag'thar in the AU timeline is because they are not lightbound or converted, so why they invite priests in between their ranks? They would proberly shun away all people who wield the light, as they have been terroized by the light-users for so long.

yeah but then they'd have a hard time joining the horde, given the tauren and blood elves. So maybe it ends up just not being a case of the power itself, but who wields it?

Just wish in blizzard opening a box like this they could at least expand on it enough to make it make sense.

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I think the reason they're called "Mag'har" in AU Draenor is the same reason they called Mag'har in Outland - they're the Orcs (the majority in this case) who didn't side with Gul'dan and didn't become Fel-corrupted during WoD. Their appellation as Mag'har doesn't have anything to do with the Light as that came later on in their respective timeline, and becoming a Priest or Paladin isn't seen as "corruption" in the Warcraft universe (at least not yet).

Well maybe it goes back to what I was saying, orcs who were light followers who were taught the light by the draenei, when the conflict started and they saw how the draenei were starting to force other orcs to become light bound against their free will, these light taught orcs left the draenei's tutelage and quickly joined the mag'har with what they learned.

These light taught orc priests then joined with the mag'har when the horde showed back up in their time and recruited them.

Still, seriously missed opportunity for mag'har paladins, could have had the same deal, but maybe they opted not to, because a paladin is always a light user, but a priest has the choice to follow the light or the void, something a shadowmoon orc would be drawn back to.

[Flurryfang]

I think the reason they're called "Mag'har" in AU Draenor is the same reason they called Mag'har in Outland - they're the Orcs (the majority in this case) who didn't side with Gul'dan and didn't become Fel-corrupted during WoD. Their appellation as Mag'har doesn't have anything to do with the Light as that came later on in their respective timeline, and becoming a Priest or Paladin isn't seen as "corruption" in the Warcraft universe (at least not yet).

Mag'har does indeed mean uncorrupted and in our timeline it is surely based upon the legion. But while i would not be surprised if Blizzard did just copy paste in-game, it would be super interesting, if the AU worlds view of uncorrupted is actually guided against being uncorrupted from the light instead. It is after all the light they are fighting against and that they are trying to keep themselfs seperated from. It would create a new interesting story around them, making them much more different than the normal brown orc from Outland.

If that were the case, it would be impossble for them to paladins and priests, just as it is impossble for dreanei to be warlocks. But this is more of a wish-situation, as i am quite sure Blizzard just had the AU orcs named Mag'har just after the fall of Archimonde and not as a reaction to the light crusade.

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yeah but then they'd have a hard time joining the horde, given the tauren and blood elves. So maybe it ends up just not being a case of the power itself, but who wields it?

Just wish in blizzard opening a box like this they could at least expand on it enough to make it make sense.

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Well maybe it goes back to what I was saying, orcs who were light followers who were taught the light by the draenei, when the conflict started and they saw how the draenei were starting to force other orcs to become light bound against their free will, these light taught orcs left the draenei's tutelage and quickly joined the mag'har with what they learned.

It is very much like the Void Elfs not having a problem with joining the Dreanei and Humans in the Alliance, despite them being the total opposite of the Light. The Mag'har could easily be okay with other races doing it, but that they still find it appoling to see their own race use the same magic, which have lead them to be refugees and rebels in their own world.

This box is something Blizzard rarely opens and even rare to much succes.

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And here i am even forgetting, that priests have been confirmed as a class for the orcs ><

[A Chozo]

You need to amplify your vision.

The Mag'har (united clans), under attack of the Lightbound, have several possible reasons to be Priests. Here are some:

- Protection against the Lightbound's Holy Magic;
- Advantage in combat by Shadow Magic;
- Veneration of their ancestors and preservation of Orc culture;
- Cleansing of Fel and Holy corruption;
- Focus into mantaining the balance of Light and Dark in their lives...
- Creating enchanted, improved battle tactics to better combat Fel and Light.

You don't need to venerate the Light to be a Priest. Those Orcs could easily be followers of the Ancestors - Shamans who use the Light to heal and purify, and the Void to damage those goddamned Lightbound and Draenei. Faith and Willpower (their Will is LEGEND!) are very common reasons to have Holy Powers.

As an Allied Race focused on purity and veneration of the Ancestrals, the Mag'har are being tactically smart by employing Priests in their ranks.

You can easily imagine a Discipline Mag'har from whatever clan (or ex-clan, since they are United Tribes now), who then trained with the Azerothian Class Trainers to branch into the other specs and more common powers beyond simple healing and dark magic attacks.

[Irian]

I honestly think Shadowmoon orcs were just "priests" long before the fanfic-worthy events of BfA unfolded. They may not be called as much, but they were a peaceful sagelike clan of orcs who delved into void magic...that just kinda screams priest to me.

[Syegfryed]

orc priests are pretty much like trolls and taurens priests, they don't worship or follow the light, they have faith in the spirits and their ancestors, this grant their holy powers

those kind of priests exist even in our timeline, with the MU shadowmoon clan, its nothing new

not everyone dabbling with light powers is a light follower

[A Chozo]

orc priests are pretty much like trolls and taurens priests, they don't worship or follow the light, they have faith in the spirits and their ancestors, this grant their holy powers

those kind of priests exist even in our timeline, with the MU shadowmoon clan, its nothing new

not everyone dabbling with light powers is a light follower

This is absolutely correct.

[Aucald]

Mag'har does indeed mean uncorrupted and in our timeline it is surely based upon the legion. But while i would not be surprised if Blizzard did just copy paste in-game, it would be super interesting, if the AU worlds view of uncorrupted is actually guided against being uncorrupted from the light instead. It is after all the light they are fighting against and that they are trying to keep themselfs seperated from. It would create a new interesting story around them, making them much more different than the normal brown orc from Outland.

If that were the case, it would be impossble for them to paladins and priests, just as it is impossble for dreanei to be warlocks. But this is more of a wish-situation, as i am quite sure Blizzard just had the AU orcs named Mag'har just after the fall of Archimonde and not as a reaction to the light crusade.

That would be an interesting wrinkle on the "Mag'har" scenario for AU Draenor, I agree. What was interesting to me about the Mag'har recruitment was that the Draenei and the Mag'har seem to be fighting over some nebulous event occurring to their Draenor - the Lightbound cries include "You have ruined this land! It is not too late to save it!" and "This once-fertile land is now lifeless dust. That's what your hate has done!" But the Mag'har counter that it was the Light that seemed to cause this undefined ruination or desolation, so it seems "something" is happened to AU Draenor and the two sides are blaming one another for it as opposed to fighting the actual cause (whatever it actually is). I'm actually of a mind that the AU timeline itself is beginning to disintegrate, which is something that "Chronicle Vol. 3" once more verifies happens to these alternate timeways once they reach a certain point in their own respective lives, and as their universe is beginning to wear thin it is effecting the world negatively and causing the desolation they're fighting over.

[Wildstars]

Orcs paladins? You people don't know what you asking for...

If its become a thing I'm gonna use Blizzard's Chronicles Volumes as toilet paper.