NVidia launches DDR4 version of GT 1030, massive game performance reduction

[Lahis]

Ignoring the poke at WoW players which isn't really needed and make just you look bad, i'd point my attention on the bolded part.

I'm not a law expert so i cannot say if it's in the boundaries of laws or not, but the card is specifically made with a completely different and way inferior (read: cheaper to produce) architecture while being sold with the same name of another one which is a "proper" graphics card.

All people here knows the difference; anyway the target market for this product is exactly the people that don't know anything and just search for a cheap option. Given how the DDR4 card isn't that much cheaper than a standard GDDR5 one, but it's way cheaper to produce, and it's aimed to less-knowing people and has the SAME NAME, well, it's pretty much a scam.

No one is forced to buy it ofc, and i assume no one here will buy it (hell i'm not even sure is the 60 serie is popular here since everyone would just jump to a 70), but it0s still a crappy behaviour from nvidia.

Uninformed people have been swindled out from their money ever since money has existed. Before that they were probably scammed out from their furs.

This is nothing new.

[Wries]

https://www.geforce.com/hardware/des...specifications

They're up-front with the fact that there exists a DDR4 variant and that it has much lesser bandwidth. One might be upset that they don't make unique model names for every variation they do but.. like does an uninformed buyer really get more info out of a "1030 vs 1030 SE" compared to "GT 1030 2GB GDDR5 vs 1030 2GB DDR4"? Either way the smart thing would be to do a bit of research.

[Shaetha]

This is worse than the Radeon 560 fiasco.

AMD tried to sell the worse cards for the same price, but yes, this is somehow worse despite being the exact same thing except objectively less scummy since the worse card is cheaper.

[Coldkil]

Uninformed people have been swindled out from their money ever since money has existed. Before that they were probably scammed out from their furs.

This is nothing new.

Then you're agreeing with me this is a scam If people spend their money in crap it's their fault, but there should be crap produced in first place

[Vash The Stampede]

Who even buys geforce cards below the X50 model and expect to game on them?

Majority of people according to Steam. People here need to realize that you don't need the best or even mid range performance to be able to game. But this issue effects mid to high end products as well. The GTX 1060 6GB vs 1060 3GB is not the same card. They're more like the 1070 vs 1080, without a name change. We also had the GTX 970 4GB fiasco that we as consumers defended Nvidia, not that AMD is a saint by any means. Which again, Nvidia calls it 4GB when it's really 3.5GB of usable memory.

But again, Nvidia gets away with it because we have review sites that keep their old benchmarks of these products up. If Nvidia wants to call it a 1030, that's fine so long as the old 1030 benchmarks are removed in favor of these DDR4 versions.

[MrPaladinGuy]

I believe the homeless bum in an early issue of Spawn said it best- "No matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd".

[mrgreenthump]

While you can game on a GT card from Nvidia, they have never considered them gaming cards. That's the GTX series.

Yeah well, according to Nvidia Titan X is not a gaming card, yet it has the Geforce GTX branding.

[Life-Binder]

you need to be retarded to be "fooled" by this

its going to say DDR4 on the box

noone is obliged to change their GPU model name because of a memory change

if you dont do research --> proceed at your own risk .. be responsible for your own self


now if they made an actual directed effort to make this DDR4 card appear absolutely indistinguishable in every way (on the box, on their site etc.) from a regular GT 1030 then yeah it'd be a "scam"

the old 1030 benchmarks are removed

now that is definitely a stupid anti-Nvidia circlejerk reaction




and yeah, GT 1030 is definitely not a real gaming card even for budget builds, assuming we are talking about modern 3D games (even on low settings) and not ~Hearthstone

[Ealyssa]

Lots of non-informed people who google "nvidia gpu" anche check the cheapest one.

Yeah no, that doesn't happen.

A consumer THAT clueless doesn't even know "nvidia".

[Zenny]

AMD did the exact same thing with the 560. As long as the specifications are clearly marked out on the product, I can't get too upset about it.

But again, Nvidia gets away with it because we have review sites that keep their old benchmarks of these products up. If Nvidia wants to call it a 1030, that's fine so long as the old 1030 benchmarks are removed in favor of these DDR4 versions.

Why? Both versions of the cards exist.

[Sandraudiga]

Calm down kids. No one is forcing you to buy this. If Nvidia want to do this then let them. It isn't breaking any laws and there is nothing misleading about it. Oh shit. I forgot. This is the "WoW" crowd where the mere existence of this card makes it mandatory to do just like AP and Valor points. My bad.

I would argue calling two different cards the same name when one of them gives close to double the performance of the others is misleading indeed. Illegal? No, but 100% misleading.

[Coldkil]

Yeah no, that doesn't happen.

A consumer THAT clueless doesn't even know "nvidia".

There are more people like this than you expect. I work with those people - i'm the guy they call when they buy random stuff and i need to fix their fuckup (and they still don't realize that buying cheap and uninformed ends up costing more than buying the right stuff at first).

Sometimes they get it, sometimes they don't. Especially in the case of parents buying a "home pc that everyone will use but don't want to spend money on it and it needs to last forever", with a teenager children that believes to be smarter than them and tries to make them buy gaming/top tier components; it ALWAYS ends with the parents going in a random pc store or even worse on amazon and buy random crap because they remember half the names.

I'm not saying it's NVidia's fault. Hell, it's better for me too making money out of them. Yet you cannot say it's not a blatant try to rip money out of people who don't know any better.

It's just the experiences i get every day.

EDIT: yes, i don't agree too with the removal of old benchmarks - it's not like traditional GDDR5 cards won't exist anymore. It simply doesn't make sense.

[durenas]

AMD tried to sell the worse cards for the same price, but yes, this is somehow worse despite being the exact same thing except objectively less scummy since the worse card is cheaper.

What AMD initially did was just as bad(though I would argue going from 16CU to 14CU isn't as bad a downgrade as going from GDDR5 to DDR4). AMD did go to the vendors and tell them to fix their labeling(to mixed success).

The shitty thing is, this didn't need to happen. They could have made it a GT 1020. There's no NEED to reuse the 1030 label. This is just greedy Nvidia hoping to trick buyers into buying a lemon.

[Vash The Stampede]

Why? Both versions of the cards exist.

The 1030 DDR4 benchmarks also include the GDDR5 version as I don't see any reviewers benchmarking these cards without including the GDDR5 version. Consumers will see both and make their own minds up, as opposed to consumers who Google GT 1030 and see how well the 1030 does and then pick up the DDR4 version without thinking twice, thus being screwed. Especially cause the older 1030 GDDR5 benchmarks don't mention a DDR4 version at all, but the newer 1030 DDR4 benchmarks will mention the GDDR5 version.

EDIT: yes, i don't agree too with the removal of old benchmarks - it's not like traditional GDDR5 cards won't exist anymore. It simply doesn't make sense.

Nvidia deserves to punished, and this is how you do it. After all, this is the reason they didn't call it a GT 1020. They called it a 1030 to capitalize on the old 1030 GDDR5 benchmarks.

you need to be retarded to be "fooled" by this

its going to say DDR4 on the box

And how many consumers know what DDR4 or GDDR5 translates to in performance? Most people aren't technical savvy like us. Most people just wanna play their favorite game and will pick up a DDR4 version cause it's the cheapest.

noone is obliged to change their GPU model name because of a memory change

if you dont do research --> proceed at your own risk .. be responsible for your own self

now if they made an actual directed effort to make this DDR4 card appear absolutely indistinguishable in every way (on the box, on their site etc.) from a regular GT 1030 then yeah it'd be a "scam"

You think MSI or EVGA are going to label the boxes DDR4 clearly? It's going to be on the side in fine print. Go to NewEgg and find me a box that clearly shows DDR4. For that matter, even NewEggs specifications don't show me the memory bandwidth from the DDR4, which would be a bigger indicator of performance than just calling it "DDR4".
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

now that is definitely a stupid anti-Nvidia circlejerk reaction

Or pro consumer, depending on how you look at it.

and yeah, GT 1030 is definitely not a real gaming card even for budget builds, assuming we are talking about modern 3D games (even on low settings) and not ~Hearthstone

You're justifying an anti-consumer practice on the idea that you declare these cards not for gaming. The person that buys it to play OverWatch isn't going to care what you think.

[Gray_Matter]

Who would buy a 1030 for gaming anyway? The 1050 is pretty much the bare minimum for entry level gaming. Cards like the 1030 are budget cards for non gaming systems, and they do ok for that. But at the same time, low end GPU's like this are useless, because the integrated graphics in both AMD and Intel systems are fine for non-gaming use. So that leaves these cards as totally pointless.

There are people who would like to game but can't afford a 1050. Especially in poorer countries. The integrated Intel option just doesn't cut it for gaming. The AMD APU's are an option but high speed memory pricing used to make the 1030 a moderately attractive option. After this change, the AMD APU options are a no-brainer.

Ultimately, my point is just that there are people who can't afford anything more than a 1030. Should they not be allowed to game?

[Deleted]

My problem, who the fuck bothers producing a gpu of any tier with ddr4? Who looks for ddr4, when nothing similar has been used for discrete gpu's? Of what use is this card, people say GT cards are not for low end gaming, but please come up with another use for a $100 gpu.

[Gray_Matter]

you need to be retarded to be "fooled" by this

its going to say DDR4 on the box

I can guarantee you that my sister knows nothing about DDR4 yet she is the one who is buying a gaming PC for her kids. The vast majority of people buying computers know absolutely nothing about what is inside them. They believe whatever the sales person tells them about the PC.

[Gourmandise]

You're justifying an anti-consumer practice on the idea that you declare these cards not for gaming. The person that buys it to play OverWatch isn't going to care what you think.

Yeah, I lol'd at all the people who said that, or who look down on the uninformed and since they're clearly stupid they deserve to be taken advantage of so anti-consumer practices are ok in this case because they make them feel good or something. I bet they think kids should have lootboxes too..

[JohnnyMccrum]

who isn't spending at least $300 on a GPU? If you are on a WoW forum? and playing wow? do you really have an excuse to NOT own a standard GPU?

[Deleted]

who isn't spending at least $300 on a GPU? If you are on a WoW forum? and playing wow? do you really have an excuse to NOT own a standard GPU?

No-one here is talking about a personal situation, we are commenting because we know better but appreciate not everyone does. Why would you call a product basicallly the same thing as another part with 80% better performance, other than to troll noobs?