Joining voice chat should be the default

[Deleted]

If you really want to talk, you can join.

If you read the original post you'd understand why this doesn't work. I'll repeat it just for you though. Making voice chat join default makes that culture of teamwork and cooperation the standard and norm. It's an MMO, you have to get on with people to achieve things.

If you really don't want to do that, you can leave.

If there's someone screaming down the mic being toxic, which will be very rare, you can mute them.

[Rafoel]

No amount of shoving will force me to socialize.

[Nutri]

Why are you making an extreme case the norm? That's what the mute and report button is for.

I'd rather just enable it when I need it, instead of going through muting all and every noisy player I meet. There's enough of that in Rainbow Six: Siege, The Division, Fortnite. It's atrocious. Especially in popular games, there's always these 'funny guys' who just can't act normal on voice chat.

[Rafoel]

Considering how every other team based video game with multiplayer has default voice chat, obviously you have no experience.

Disabling them is first thing I do.

[Deleted]

No amount of shoving will force me to socialize.

If you do not want to interact with other human beings in a massive multiplayer online game, then that's up to you. You can leave or mute. But the vast majority of people are indifferent or simply unaware of the feature. By making it the default, people who would otherwise have not joined take part in socialising and teamwork, will have now found a feature they really like.

If they don't end up enjoying it, like I said, they can just leave.

[owbu]

How is it handled now? You have to click join everytime without an option to autojoin?

Makes no sense to force people to click "mute" every time they join anything, but the same is true for not having an "always on" option.

[Deleted]

How is it handled now? You have to click join everytime without an option to autojoin?

Makes no sense to force people to click "mute" every time they join anything, but the same is true for not having an "always on" option.

You have to manually join yourself for any content.

I think a simple solution would be an interface option that says auto join that you can tick or untick with the default being ticked.

[Eleccybubb]

You have to manually join yourself for any content.

I think a simple solution would be an interface option that says auto join that you can tick or untick with the default being ticked.

Or the simple solution would be to have it unchecked by default and not force it on the player?

Luckily it's never going to be an option to force auto join because Blizzard know it's a stupid thing to do so this conversation is irrelevant.

[quite an expert in wow]

If you read the original post you'd understand why this doesn't work. I'll repeat it just for you though. Making voice chat join default makes that culture of teamwork and cooperation the standard and norm. It's an MMO, you have to get on with people to achieve things.

If you really don't want to do that, you can leave.

If there's someone screaming down the mic being toxic, which will be very rare, you can mute them.

It works extremely well for me. I don't have any issues with teamwork while leveling and if there is someone that fails to complete a certain mechanic, I don't find it an issue at all to explain what to do in one sentence. I rather listen to music than to talk with randoms.

If you really want to use voice, you can join.

[Nutri]

By making it the default, people who would otherwise have not joined take part in socialising and teamwork, will have now found a feature they really like.

Uhuh, let me tell you about this one time in Division where some dude I joined was Skyping with a friend about how messed up his sister was at the time, suffering illness, drug addiction, abusive boyfriend. How her life was going to shit and all kinds of misery. At some point I just had to stop him because that was clearly personal stuff and he was completely freaking out that he was broadcasting all the time and begged me not to post it on Youtube or w/e in case I was recording.

I bet that guy was real happy the voicechat in The Division is enabled by default. Buy hey, if I would have told him auto-voicechat would induce teamwork then he'd probably be totally fine with it.

[quite an expert in wow]

Not sure if OP actually ever played for a longer while in a row with randoms, but I did. For example in Counter-Strike you join voice by default. The voice quality is usually really bad and half of the people have such a bad microphone that it seems that they are actually playing inside an airplane. No thanks. Yes, I can mute them. No, I don't want to.

I'm not even going to start about bad manners that are definitely existing and are not a rare case as OP makes it seem to be.

[Tiwack]

I think when you join a group or instance or anything that has the ability to utilise voice chat, that should put every player in the group automatically into voice chat.

This makes teamwork and cooperation the default. Whoever doesn't want to, can leave. But the default should be autojoin.

That's how it works in OW? Would probably be an improvement to the experience in wow with the option to opt-out or mute if needed.

[Steampunkette]

Why are you making an extreme case the norm? That's what the mute and report button is for.

If there's someone screaming down the mic being toxic, which will be very rare, you can mute them.

It's like you've never used anonymous voice chat online, before...

It wouldn't be a "Very Rare" occurrence as you're suggesting. It would be fairly pervasive as has been proven on literally every voice-chat service that exists in such a manner. From X-Box Live onward, there's a culture of guys between the ages of 10 and 30 doing their damnedest to be loud, obnoxious, racist, sexist, bigoted jerks in order to trash-talk their enemies or with a lack of enemies in the voice chat attempt to put themselves into a dominant position on their own teammates.

Maybe you've been incredibly lucky to avoid it, but it swirls around the internet like a massive fart that just won't dissipate, no matter how many windows are opened. The only protection is to leave the room and tell people not to open the door.

Hell. Even text-chat has got that problem, but at least you can put word-filters over text to turn someone's ignorant rant in Alterac Valley about the supposed ancestry, intellect, and inability to coordinate efforts -or- their own fingers of everyone who exists on the same losing team. The Devs didn't originally have a language divide between Horde and Alliance but had to institute one early on in the beta cycle when the vitriol hit a certain degree of "Oh my god, you can't just -say- that..."

[rda]

You have to manually join yourself for any content.

I think a simple solution would be an interface option that says auto join that you can tick or untick with the default being ticked.

The default being ticked is crazy. In any such option the default should be and is going to be unticked. There are multiple reasons why and the most important one is that you better ask for people's consent here or you are going to get burned, deservedly. Nobody wants a random rogue feature apparently leaking what you are saying in front of your PC to others. What, if WoW allows sharing webcam streams, you would like that to be on by default as well???

No. Just no.

[Deleted]

Uhuh, let me tell you about this one time in Division where some dude I joined was Skyping with a friend about how messed up his sister was at the time, suffering illness, drug addiction, abusive boyfriend. How her life was going to shit and all kinds of misery. At some point I just had to stop him because that was clearly personal stuff and he was completely freaking out that he was broadcasting all the time and begged me not to post it on Youtube or w/e in case I was recording.

I bet that guy was real happy the voicechat in The Division is enabled by default. Buy hey, if I would have told him auto-voicechat would induce teamwork then he'd probably be totally fine with it.

So you take the most extreme of extreme examples and present it as a compelling reason to not have voice. I don't need to address how RIDICULOUS this is, surely.

[owbu]

You have to manually join yourself for any content.

I think a simple solution would be an interface option that says auto join that you can tick or untick with the default being ticked.

Yes, that sounds reasonable. Least amount of tedious clicking for both groups. Which is kinda the point of having an interface

With new features, you want them to be enabled by deafault to spread awareness that its there. And then you can just have one of the yellow hints guide you to the "don't like this new thing? Here is how to make it go away". Worked with other features. Should work here too.

[Armourboy]

Want a way to drive 90% of them women who play your game away from it, use this moronic idea. All it would do is lead to someone creating an addon that would auto remove you from the chat channel no joining whatever group it is. It would be a complete waste of time.

Now if you want to add an option where you can default it to always auto add you, cool have at it.

[Deleted]

The default being ticked is crazy. In any such option the default should be and is going to be unticked. There are multiple reasons why and the most important one is that you better ask for people's consent here or you are going to get burned, deservedly. Nobody wants a random rogue feature apparently leaking what you are saying in front of your PC to others. What, if WoW allows sharing webcam streams, you would like that to be on by default as well???

No. Just no.

Have you ever played a single other game in your life? Overwatch and plenty of other titles have auto join. It doesn't just automatically stream what you say. There is push to talk on by default.

[Nutri]

So you take the most extreme of extreme examples and present it as a compelling reason to not have voice. I don't need to address how RIDICULOUS this is, surely.

Oyeah? How is this any different than a 11 year old kid playing on the computer of dad in the living room, with a broadcasting mic while mom and dad discuss personal stuff?

And for the record, The Division did not have Push-to-Talk as default, it was voice activated broadcasting.

[Frolk]

i think when you join a group or instance or anything that has the ability to utilise voice chat, that should put every player in the group automatically into voice chat.

This makes teamwork and cooperation the default. Whoever doesn't want to, can leave. But the default should be autojoin.

fuck.
That.