Morally Grey? ARE YOU KIDDING ME.[Spoilers]

[Darkeon]

In before "Those darn white, misogynist males angry at poor female writer" being the excuse to dismiss this storytelling turdness.

[Athorha]

I think this means the Alliance actually have to go in and completely destroy the Horde now. The Horde produced an evil leader in Garrosh once, it was dealt with, and fences were mended. But now its happened TWICE. You can't continue to defeat an enemy, only to allow them to rebuild and follow yet another villain to attack you. The Alliance has to destroy the entire horde infrastructure and never allow it to come back. They have to tear down Orgrimmar, Thunder Bluff, and Silvermoon. If they don't, the story just doesn't make sense because that is how it would actually play out.

Cause we totally did that to Germany after ww2...

[Verdugo]

There must always be....a scapegoat.

No doubt Blizzard had this development in mind long before Golden came into the fray. I have my...reservations about where the story is going but Golden isn't solely responsible and I, for one, am at least willing to see where it will fucking go. It's really pathetic to see people unleashing hell upon her. What a disaster.

Then she should start pointing fingers. She is already trying to distance herself from Warbringer shorts.

[Jastall]

Its kinda funny how easy it was to destroy it.

We already knew they nerfed NEs for story convenience, but this was a new low all around. They leave their border with the Horde almost completely undefended during a period of intense tensions, let smelly Forsaken out-sneak them in freaking Ashenvale, abandon most of their territory to fall back to a spot that can be flanked with a convenient tunnel that even Saurfang can guess exists, attempt to defend the indefensible Lor'danel, have their military leader be absent the entire time because she had a manicure somewhere or whatever, and then finally their world tree is so flimsy that flaming boulders light up the entire thing like a Christmas tree after ten seconds.

It's a bad day to be a fan of any Horde race other than Forsaken, but a worse one to like Night Elves.

[Sangris]

I didn't expect anything. And yet they managed to disappoint me. It's not even that it was Sylvanas. It's the way they acted before. They were like "Just wait, you don't know everything yet!" They acted like the most obvious answer would be just too easy. They made people speculate who it could be instead, since no way they would just make her do it. AND THEY FUCKING DID. The last bit of faith I had in their writing is gone. Especially with Golden. This BS reeks of her shit writing.

[Sinistrem]

In before "Those darn white, misogynist males angry at poor female writer" being the excuse to dismiss this storytelling turdness.

Haven't you read the comments? It's already there, blaming "male trolls" and whatsnot.

[Verdugo]

We already knew they nerfed NEs for story convenience, but this was a new low all around. They leave their border with the Horde almost completely undefended during a period of intense tensions, let smelly Forsaken out-sneak them in freaking Ashenvale, abandon most of their territory to fall back to a spot that can be flanked with a convenient tunnel that even Saurfang can guess exists, attempt to defend the indefensible Lor'danel, have their military leader be absent the entire time because she had a manicure somewhere or whatever, and then finally their world tree is so flimsy that flaming boulders light up the entire thing like a Christmas tree after ten seconds.

It's a bad day to be a fan of any Horde race other than Forsaken, but a worse one to like Night Elves.

It wasnt even Azerite, just flaming boulders hurled by primitive onagers.

[rhorle]

Anyone who sees this as "morally gray" is retarded, plain and simple. This was well beyond morally gray. Even the Horde who lit the demolishers didn't want to do it until she barked the order a second time.

You don't understand what morally gray is. It is war. She barked a second time because she had to change the plan because people didn't follow her orders. Any leader would show emotion at that point. The fact that you are calling people retarded because she is doing something "evil" shows that you don't really understand what morally grey would be.

You also ignore that it is war. Why occupy when you can raze? She wanted to take hope away and when they failed to kill malfurian the tree was the other option. Clearly taking seige weapons to an Island tree shows that burning it was always an option on the table. They didn't even bring any of their own fleet.

[GennGreymane]

Considering Golden didn’t write this..... prob an accurate reflection of those already in a hissy fit at her

[Vakna]

WAR craft. Say it with me. WAR....craft

He reasoning is just. Horde need a ruthless leader...too pussified by Thrall and Vol'jin. Garrosh was their one time getting it right, it's about time we get back to Good vs Evil.

I joined horde to be evil.

And when exactly did you join the Horde to be evil? It's never been one of their core values.

[Reyuna]

That moment you remember when Garrosh stopped the Horde commander in Stonetalon from attacking the druid civilians.

[Arrashi]

It wasnt even Azerite, just flaming boulders hurled by primitive onagers.

Maybe teldrassil was lvl 10 target ? Since its alive and in low level zone.

[Wikiy]

I didn't expect anything. And yet they managed to disappoint me. It's not even that it was Sylvanas. It's the way they acted before. They were like "Just wait, you don't know everything yet!" They acted like the most obvious answer would be just too easy. They made people speculate who it could be instead, since no way they would just make her do it. AND THEY FUCKING DID. The last bit of faith I had in their writing is gone. Especially with Golden. This BS reeks of her shit writing.

Golden doesn't make such decisions. This is Ion and whoever is the main story developer.

[Super Dickmann]

And when exactly did you join the Horde to be evil? It's never been one of their core values.

The Horde has been evil for ages compared to how long it's been lolhonorable.

[mysticx]

But not unexpected. Maybe if blizzard didn't give her shit choices to write about people wouldn't have reacted badly. We didn't see this kind of negative reaction through legion

Still, it was Blizz that gave Golden the crappy story framework to fill out in the book, yelling at her because a bit of the story she didn’t even write isn’t up to snuff (Admittedly it is incredibly lame) is just stupid childish kneejerk response, yell at Blizzard for putting in this ridiculous story development, not Golden.

[Verdugo]

Maybe teldrassil was lvl 10 target ? Since its alive and in low level zone.

Obviously Sylvanas plays Ethiopians.

[codeGnave]

Meh, people seem to have no clue how war works, oh no she burnt down a tree which is like a font of power for her enemy... It's fucking war, you don't show mercy to your enemy, all this honor bullshit is for kids.

Im a little sick of seeing this.vher actions were unjustified for several reasons:
1) Valid cause to assume that there were no more military personnel in the city.
2) The city was essentially taken already. There was no benefit to destroying it.
3) Its a city! Filled with civilians and refugees.

No war justifies the burning of Teldrasil as it happened.

[Aucald]

Right ya sorry - but she had catapults loaded with magical-flamable material (Azerite?) prepared before that conversation began, they lit them up on her call though.

The ordinance in the catapults could be lit on fire or fired as normal projectiles - having incendiaries at the ready against the Night Elves (with their reliance on Ancients and other nature-based protectors) makes a deal of tactical sense. I don't think this speaks to any prior planning on Sylvanas' part to burn down Teldrassil though. At the beginning the cutscene she even states her intention to take the city, moving ahead with her original plan. It's only her brief conversation with the Night Elf sentinel that seems to change her mind, making her decision to torch Teldrassil more of a spur-of-the-moment reaction. Even Nathanos appeared to be taken aback and uncertain what to make of the change in plans, although he offers no verbal retort. I think the implication is pretty clear here that Sylvanas permitted rage to cloud whatever she has that passes for "reason."

[Wikiy]

You also ignore that it is war. Why occupy when you can raze? She wanted to take hope away and when they failed to kill malfurian the tree was the other option. Clearly taking seige weapons to an Island tree shows that burning it was always an option on the table. They didn't even bring any of their own fleet.

This notion of "taking hope away" is pretty retarded as well. Doing something like razing an enemy city is as likely to make the enemy more vigilant than make them less hopeful.

[Sinistrem]

And when exactly did you join the Horde to be evil? It's never been one of their core values.

Tbh it was, before the Thrall came. And it left with the Thrall. Horde wasn't honorable. Thrall was a honorable Warchief that was a good influence on orcs and reigned in forsaken/goblins to be in line. Without him noone keeps shady leaders in check and orcs are getting back to their bloodthirsty days. Think God Emperor and how everything goes to shit once he is no longer around to babysit Imperium.