THis is just getting insulting: Ret mobility.

[Nerovar]

They should buff ret mobility. While wings are active you should have 50% movement speed buff and be immune to any form of root and slow. When you use freedom you should get a 70% movement buff while it is active. Divine steed should be 15 sec cd. Judgement should give you a 5 sec 50% movement speed buff. Also paladins should have a lightform they can enter to move superfast, but can't attack from. Like the bridge to Odyn. That would be nice and balanced.

Omegalul. Sometimes I think this is what rets unironically want. Guys, you're not playing with action figures.

[Omaski]

That's when you BoF and use your second charge

And once pony/BoF end i *wave again as you chains of ice spam me to a crawl*

[Th3Scourge]

And once pony/BoF end i *wave again as you chains of ice spam me to a crawl*

It's ok we can't catch you at that point.

Maybe it's because I'm so familiar with the DK weaknesses, but on my Ret pally I just wreck their faces. I love both classes and understand the necessity of their mobility weaknesses

[Germs]

DKs and priests are at least properly functional with low mobility... Priests don't need to be on top of someone to apply their damage or healing, and DKs have the strongest gap closer in the game to bring their targets to them.

ya you are right, the priest doesn't need mobility because they can do damage from a distance. lets just ignore the fact they need mobility to get away from you. let us all praise the fact this guy doesn't balance anything.

[Teroo]

ya you are right, the priest doesn't need mobility because they can do damage from a distance. lets just ignore the fact they need mobility to get away from you. let us all praise the fact this guy doesn't balance anything.

PvP is not balanced around 1v1 and in arena you have your teammate (as shadow usually mage or rogue) keeping ret (and other melee) away from you.

[Schattenlied]

ya you are right, the priest doesn't need mobility because they can do damage from a distance. lets just ignore the fact they need mobility to get away from you. let us all praise the fact this guy doesn't balance anything.

Their primary function isn't getting away from people, their primary function is dealing damage. They can deal that damage whether they are in melee range or 40y away, Ret can only do their damage if they are in melee.

Let's all praise the fact that you don't balance anything, since you are clearly incapable of applying simple logic to situations.

[Deleted]

And now, as all veteran Ret players expected, the OP damage was nerfed, the healing was nerfed and the mobility has been left completely as it is, completely removing the point of the class.

Well done people who said our damage was high so we couldn't have movement. Broken design is broken design.

[Deleted]

don't be obtuse.

comes from a guy who's being obtuse about his mobility yet has 4 lifes to spare every time.

[Wolfman31]

And now, as all veteran Ret players expected, the OP damage was nerfed, the healing was nerfed and the mobility has been left completely as it is, completely removing the point of the class.

Well done people who said our damage was high so we couldn't have movement. Broken design is broken design.

Our damage is still high despite the nerfs. Our healing is still strong. We needed to be toned down and so we were. But we really weren't toned down that much compared to how overpowered we were.

[A Chozo]

comes from a guy who's being obtuse about his mobility yet has 4 lifes to spare every time.

Something weird happened with your quote. It has my name, but it was supposed to be quoting OP's weird argument.

[Nfinitii]

*Death Knight waves at you as you pass with double cavalier charges*

That talent is a trap, u pretty much have to use bof for steed to do anything making ur 2nd one pretty much useless. And the other talent that reduces ur defensive CDs by 30% is way better.

[Begrudge]

if ur complaining about ret then ur bad

[Deleted]

Roll a sub rogue if you want mobility, otherwise stop complaining. Your class is insane in every other aspect - you're like the fat kid who ate 3/4 of the cake and wants the last piece.

[Deleted]

I think Ret shouldn't get buff to mobility but I would nerf everyone else:

-Warrior only 1 leap (1min cd) and 1 charge (30sec cd). Maybe give talent that makes bladestorm go 20% increased speed.
-Rogue can maybe keep mobility but should die with 3 attacks from plate DPS.
-Druid just delete travel form because its pointless for other than mobility. Remove Dash from all but Feral spec. Feral dies also from 2-3 hits from plate if not turtling in bear form.
-DK no nerf
-Monk no roll talents only 2 charges and then remove that ... i forgot its name but that fly forwarf thing.
-DH remove double jump and Fel rush only has 1 charge.

Casters keep their mobility except for:
-Mage remove Shimmering talent
-Shaman remove wind rush totem and also nerf heals+survivality
-Disable hunter autoattack when moving and remove posthaste talents.

Well done, you've solved all the balancing issues.

[Lazuli]

Thanks.

I was able to make those changes because Blizz wants to slow down the game and I have experience from PvP for the past 12 years.

For PvE I don't know how to fix stuff.

You don't know shit bud and you have 12 years of experience in casual BGs at most.

Ret mobility is more than fine. While a leap would be infinitely better than a shitty mount for a few secs it's not like ret has issues dealing damage to its targets. It does FEEL bad, but if you take a minute you realize mobility isn't the issue; the fun factor is.

[Wolfman31]

You don't know shit bud and you have 12 years of experience in casual BGs at most.

Ret mobility is more than fine. While a leap would be infinitely better than a shitty mount for a few secs it's not like ret has issues dealing damage to its targets. It does FEEL bad, but if you take a minute you realize mobility isn't the issue; the fun factor is.

After seeing Tirion Fordring leap in Wrath, paladin players have been asking for it ever since. And then Blizz gave it to warriors instead because.. reasons. But I actually like the Divine Steed. It fits the class fantasy. I just wish it had more functionality to it, similar to augmented Steed Charge for Crusaders in Diablo 3. As far as the fun factor goes, I think the spec plays rather predictably and while it's better than its Legion counterpart, it's still not as fun as previous iterations from back in the day. There's not much variance and most of the talents don't augment the core rotation as much as they do for other specs in the game, but I'm still enjoying it despite how underwhelming it feels to play. It needs some talent tweaks more than anything else.

[Gaidax]

If I don't know shit then why was people praising my suggested changes so much?

Please, it's MMO-C - all the derps will rush to praise anything that is either a buff to their class or nerf to everyone else except for their class.

For the record, whatever BS you spewed there is laughable at best. It amounts to - nerf everyone's mobility to my level, but don't touch all the perks I have I get for that.

/golfclap

[Grusalugg]

So you want to be good at everything and counter every class? Ok

[Lazuli]

Is it the new thing to troll as blatantly as possible lol? pally and dk unviable hehehehe man that shit made my morning

[willtron]

Reported for trolling and derailing. Also if you want to drive class change, please use official forums and learn some forum decorum.

That's a triggered post if I've ever seen one.

Seems to be a common theme for Paladins.