PvP scaling is garbage that ruins the whole experience

[Akka]

You misunderstand, level progression systems are essentialy to RPG's. You sound like a socialist.

You seem to not understand what is written. Maybe learn to read.
And this "socialist" part was just, WTF ?

Except it can't and never will be 'balanced'. Just means you have to think outside the box and realize lvl120 might not be the 'optimal' level for PvP twinks.

Well, that's the problem when you build a mechanism (levels) and then destroy it with another (level scaling) : it makes the game a contrived, illogical mess. WoW has been suffering of layers of mechanisms bloat for a long time now, this is yet another example.

[Malikath]

First of all, it's just my point of view, and that's why. When i engage into combat with a low lvl char, i expect that i should be stronger, because i've invested more time into development of my char, and this is a matter of progression. But when any pvp combat with low lvl lasts forever, and it's not 100% gurantee that you're gona win, it destroys the whole feeling of progression. What's the poing of leveling and gearing (in context of PvP, ofc), when someone, who doesnt even reached max lvl, can easily give you and even fight? I'm not that kind of a clicker, that can't reach 2400+ arena rating, it's not about skill. It's about another socialistic abomination, when your efforts have no value.

What do you guys think of it?

i remember when i would organize month-long camping of gankers like you.
there was more teamwork by horde and alliance fighting wannabe angwe-tards then there was the lich king.

[Mr chub]

Yes it is

Its not 'fair' but it is realistic and tangible game design to be able to kill 'younger' 'weaker' ppl

It is also realistic for those more skilled to turn the tables on those that rely on raw stats.

[Deleted]

There are free meals in life, in your primary school, even in the US. Also, you didn't insult me at all. I like socialism, it's good for the people. But what would a biased american know? You just hear your grampa say socialism is bad while the large corporations use you and spit you out and their bosses get richer while you get poorer. You don't know better, and it quite reflects here aswell.

Those meals aren't free, the taxpayer pays for them.

And you like socialism? Lol i read you like a book, please stay away from creative endeavors.

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It is also realistic for those more skilled to turn the tables on those that rely on raw stats.

Yes but rarely in nature. You speak like someone who doesn't do much sports

[A Chozo]

Hah! OP lost to a low-lvl!

[Deleted]

Hah! OP lost to a low-lvl!

I'd wager 90% of the people posting here are too afraid to turn on pvp and have very little of value to offer on the subject

[Lochton]

Nope, love it! Makes it more fair overall.

[Mr chub]

Those meals aren't free, the taxpayer pays for them.

And you like socialism? Lol i read you like a book, please stay away from creative endeavors.

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Yes but rarely in nature. You speak like someone who doesn't do much sports

I don't think you know much about sports... do you wonder why body builders are rarely athletes beyond lifting competitions...?

A lower level outplayed a higher level. Sure its embarrassing for the higher level to lose but it is how it should work.

[Deleted]

Nope, love it! Makes it more fair overall.

Putting more time, energy and effort into the game and not being rewarded for it is not more 'fair' overall.

This place is horrific

[Deleted]

Those meals aren't free, the taxpayer pays for them.

And you like socialism? Lol i read you like a book, please stay away from creative endeavors.

How could you? When have you ever read a book?

I most certainly will not. So, tough break for you grampa.

[HuxNeva]

Well, that's the problem when you build a mechanism (levels) and then destroy it with another (level scaling) : it makes the game a contrived, illogical mess. WoW has been suffering of layers of mechanisms bloat for a long time now, this is yet another example.

Except that the whole premise of 'balanced' in wPvP (where the scaling applies) isn't meant to be. wPvP like IRL fights aren't meant to be 'balanced'. You are meant to destroy the opponent by overwhelming force, either by 'twinking' for it, or by having a bunch of people on discord pummeling hapless levelers.

[Deleted]

I don't think you know much about sports... do you wonder why body builders are rarely athletes beyond lifting competitions...?

A lower level outplayed a higher level. Sure its embarrassing for the higher level to lose but it is how it should work.

Yes I do know why bodybuilders are rarely athletes? Not really relevant is it?

The lower level should have the capability to outplay, but it should be EXTREMELY hard and very rare.

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How could you? When have you ever read a book?

I most certainly will not. So, tough break for you grampa.

You'll understand when you work for a living

[Darkeon]

Socialists love free meals

The OP sure seems annoyed he didn't get that "free meal"; For sure!

[Mosotti]

L2p. Maybe then you'll be able to kill that ferocious level 7 kobold killer.

[Deleted]

The OP sure seems annoyed he didn't get that "free meal"; For sure!

I work for meals

[Lochton]

Putting more time, energy and effort into the game and not being rewarded for it is not more 'fair' overall.

This place is horrific

It is for the lower level, they have a higher chance of being able to proceed with their game too, as they can fend for themselves.

[Deleted]

It is for the lower level, they have a higher chance of being able to proceed with their game too, as they can fend for themselves.

They dont put as much time and energy into the game hence their character should be weaker than someone that does.

[Mr chub]

Yes I do know why bodybuilders are rarely athletes? Not really relevant is it?

The lower level should have the capability to outplay, but it should be EXTREMELY hard and very rare.

It is in terms of raw stats if you will the body builder should win every sport that doesn't require lots of running. All blizzard did was give the lower levels a chance on average I've noticed that at 116 most 120 have twice the hp I do and roughly 20-30% of the burst. It's a large advantage and evenly skilled it isn't a fight.

The thing is... A LOT of wow players suck at pvp. They don't know what defensive or offensive cds the other classes have or even how to corner them. I don't know how I rank as a pvper I only played one season in wod with guildies for a few hours to hit 2k for transmog then stopped but if I had to take a guess most wow players land somewhere in the 1200s in terms of skill.

These " upsets" are only seen as overly common as most players never really duel but just experience the most pit style fights of unrated bgs.

[Deleted]

It is in terms of raw stats if you will the body builder should win every sport that doesn't require lots of running. All blizzard did was give the lower levels a chance on average I've noticed that at 116 most 120 have twice the hp I do and roughly 20-30% of the burst. It's a large advantage and evenly skilled it isn't a fight.

The thing is... A LOT of wow players suck at pvp. They don't know what defensive or offensive cds the other classes have or even how to corner them. I don't know how I rank as a pvper I only played one season in wod with guildies for a few hours to hit 2k for transmog then stopped but if I had to take a guess most wow players land somewhere in the 1200s in terms of skill.

These " upsets" are only seen as overly common as most players never really duel but just experience the most pit style fights of unrated bgs.

As long as the chance is kept small im fine with it, skill should be involved

[Wildberry]

Scaling seems bad overall, but I do like that we've moved back to the days where lower level players actually can beat higher level ones.

They dont put as much time and energy into the game hence their character should be weaker than someone that does.

Imagine being so ridiculous you sound off with boomer-tier talking points about "Socialism" and "Free meals," because you think leveling is an investment of time and energy in 2018.

If someone is better at PvP they should win. Gear, time, level, etc. should be a secondary factor. Skill is what should matter. It's kind of funny, since you want to get political about this: You think that someone who's bad should beat someone lower level simply because they've spent more time leveling (lol). That kind of reminds me of all the Leftists who seem to think someone who works "really hard" at a low-skill job deserves all sorts of luxuries.