Just out of Curiosity - Your fixes

[dayne87]

I don't know that classic is the place for class balance. Like others have said, if you want to play a viable boomkin, look to retail. Same with ret if you want to do end-game stuff. You also have to look at viable CC, which only a few classes had back then (like Ret didn't).

I'm not a classic purist, so if they were going to rebalance classic, speaking as a hunter, I would hope that some changes like deadzone removal for hunters and replacement of mana with focus would make it into the game. But again, that goes against the whole idea of Vanilla, so who knows.

[dirtyjokes]

I'd love to see aoe loot tbh, I'm fine with the rest.

[Deleted]

so if LFD not removed why play retail? go back to retail forums and dont play classic there are enough who wiil. you dont see me come to bfa forums suggesting your precious xmog removed right? right.

But I dont even play retail, I actually only play vanilla at the moment

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Isn't Ret the tree you go into for PvP or leveling?

That is true, but i would prefer having a holy paladin with me and a ret paladin against me

[tikcol]

Not sure why people think vanilla was a perfect flower that never needs changes or balancing.

A class balanced vanilla would be extremely good. And yes, it would Still be vanilla.

A flower without any petals is still a flower. Doesn't mean it looks like the flower before you removed its petals.

/deep

tikcol 2018

[Armourboy]

thats the thing though. what they're delivering us is not vanilla wow. its classic, its going to be different.

people seem to think its going to be copy paste of 1.12 patch. when its simply not. theyve said its going to be using the current wow engine.

Those changes will not extend to classes, raids, or other content. Why? Blizzard has stated the goal for Classic is to be a mark in time, a museum if you will. By changing the classes you have now created a game that never existed and it no longer serves the purpose it was created for.

Yes WoW will run on the modern infrastructure, but that is mostly behind the scenes things you will never see. There will be some small upgrades in graphic quality, but nothing like exists on live.

If they are making the decision to flat out use the original character models rather than the updated ones, I see no reason they would make the decision to start overhauling classes.

This notion that its classic and not vanilla is so laughable, it's used as an argument for anything anyone wants and it simply isnt the case.

The game will be more stable, it will be tied to battle.net, and it will have stuff like colorblind mode, but they aren't suddenly going to build an entirely new game just because it's called classic instead of vanilla ( which it was never titled as anyways ).

[Super Kami Dende]

I truly don't understand the idiocy of people that don't wants specs balanced because "OMG ITS NOT VANILLA!"

Since it is literally people admitting Vanilla had the worst most trash Class balance this game ever had.

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If ret paladin is not changed then why would anyone play it?

Fun? I played Ret Paladin the entirety of Vanilla on my Pally as my Main and raided everything up to 4H in Naxx.

[Renedric]

Nothing wrong with survival aside the fact that it's a melee spec for a ranged class. A raiding guild will 9/10 want you to go ranged if you're playing hunter. It's just unfortunate. I kind of want it to shift more towards the direction of throwing grenades and traps with melee being optional for extra dmg. Enhance is too reliant on procs and has alot of downtime. Rotation needs to be completely reworked.

[kyoloco]

honestly at this point i would just make one last expac where old gods and void lords win and end all life AND the game with it

make WoW 2 as an alternative universe

[Thunderball]

I truly don't understand the idiocy of people that don't wants specs balanced because "OMG ITS NOT VANILLA!"

Since it is literally people admitting Vanilla had the worst most trash Class balance this game ever had.

Class balance is fine. Spec balance is not there, and it's not supposed to be. Noone ever told you that you can raid a ret paladin.

[Nobleshield]

TBH The only thing I'd like to see is auto loot (not even AOE loot), a map that shows quest icons/locations (but not the more modern "here's a blue area showing you what the area is). Basically the UI style of Wrath. Despite the #NoChanges people, I highly doubt autoloot would be such a breaking feature as opposed to having to click stuff individually. They can't balance specs, despite that being one of the worst things about Vanilla. If they did, they'd have to redo the game to make it truly WoW 2, which would be cool but not what they are advertising.

Classic had a lot of warts; that's why the game evolved. But when they're doing a classic server, you'll get warts and all. Maybe it will help some folks appreciate what they've done to make the game better (which a lot has been done; a lot has been done that I dislike as well, but the gameplay has been evolved from 2004)

[Deleted]

Fun? I played Ret Paladin the entirety of Vanilla on my Pally as my Main and raided everything up to 4H in Naxx.

Sure you did
But fun is subjective, that is all we can agree on.. I have given up on many paladins due to the incredible boring gameplay leveling yet the class fantasy seems appealing even though in real life I am anti religion or anything regarding beliefs

[drori8]

TBH The only thing I'd like to see is auto loot (not even AOE loot), a map that shows quest icons/locations (but not the more modern "here's a blue area showing you what the area is). Basically the UI style of Wrath. Despite the #NoChanges people, I highly doubt autoloot would be such a breaking feature as opposed to having to click stuff individually. They can't balance specs, despite that being one of the worst things about Vanilla. If they did, they'd have to redo the game to make it truly WoW 2, which would be cool but not what they are advertising.

Classic had a lot of warts; that's why the game evolved. But when they're doing a classic server, you'll get warts and all. Maybe it will help some folks appreciate what they've done to make the game better (which a lot has been done; a lot has been done that I dislike as well, but the gameplay has been evolved from 2004)

and some will not appreciate and will actually like classic which i know might be a shocker to you but there will.

and btw No changes, no question mark on map no nothing. just no. why are you trying to make it BFA? i said and i'll say so again every post if you want QOL you have it in retail just click the button log in, choose your server and click "enter world" that's it.

[Nobleshield]

and some will not appreciate and will actually like classic which i know might be a shocker to you but there will.

and btw No changes, no question mark on map no nothing. just no. why are you trying to make it BFA? i said and i'll say so again every post if you want QOL you have it in retail just click the button log in, choose your server and click "enter world" that's it.

There is a HUGE gap between most actual quality of life suggestions and "retail". Having to individually click each piece of loot adds nothing. It doesn't help the RPG elenent, it adds no immersion, it affects no game play. Argubly the quest stuff does but nearly everyone will use a quest add-on anyways (which is why all that stuff was added to the base game in the first place)

[Guardian Bob]

Take the TBC pre-patch and apply it to Classic and that's what I would do.

[Marema]

Sorry, but people who think adding AOE loot or just plain auto loot shouldn't be added as basic QoL changes are morons. Just because they weren't in vanilla doesn't mean that they can't be in classic. Thinking that there won't be some minor changes is just plain silly and ignorant. There's already going to be some minor changes that have been announced and I'm sure there will be more announced at Blizzcon. Some of you really need to grow up.

[Deleted]

How would you fix dead specs without changing mechanics, itemization or game impact too much?
How would you maintain the hybrid tax while making hybrids viable with all 3 specs?

The specs I had in mind are:

Paladin: Prot/Ret
Druid: Feral/Balance
Priest: shadow
Hunter: Surv (To an extent)
Shaman: Elemental/Enhancement

Note: I played vanilla in all of its glory and had fun with my paladin. I am just curious to hear your thoughts! XD

BFA is waiting for you.

[Seranthor]

Sorry, but people who think adding AOE loot or just plain auto loot shouldn't be added as basic QoL changes are morons. Just because they weren't in vanilla doesn't mean that they can't be in classic. Thinking that there won't be some minor changes is just plain silly and ignorant. There's already going to be some minor changes that have been announced and I'm sure there will be more announced at Blizzcon. Some of you really need to grow up.

So you are saying that the folks that want real vanilla are morons? That is what it looks like you are saying.

[Gungnir]

It seems like, from a commercial perspective, that ignoring peoples preferred specs/classes being even remotely viable is a good way to kill the game from the get go.

I probably wont play because feral was basically useless and I can't be bothered competing with warriors/rogues for tanking positions. I'd be more inclined to play resto, but knowing i'm mostly there for innervate kinda makes it borng.

You seem to be mistaken that this is intended to be a commercial product aimed at a large playerbase.
It's aimed at the private server demographic and nothing more, and thus it should match private servers and nothing more.

Secondly, I am pretty sure you never played Vanilla up to a decent level, once T2+ came on resto druids became one of the most efficient and hard scaling healers in the entire game.
And then you also have the whole powershifting Wolfshead feral that were in a few percentage of warriors/rogues.

[Deleted]

Did you play a hybrid in vanilla? Because out of 40 people they only needed 1 or 2.

It's almost as if you can play BFA because it caters to you!

[Mirishka]

How would you fix dead specs without changing mechanics, itemization or game impact too much?
How would you maintain the hybrid tax while making hybrids viable with all 3 specs?

The specs I had in mind are:

Paladin: Prot/Ret
Druid: Feral/Balance
Priest: shadow
Hunter: Surv (To an extent)
Shaman: Elemental/Enhancement

Note: I played vanilla in all of its glory and had fun with my paladin. I am just curious to hear your thoughts! XD

My fix would be to delete all the topics about making changes to vanilla.