Just So We're Perfectly Clear, There Will Be No Wall. Ever. This Is Why.

[Elba]

It would actually be nice if there was a wall. More similar to the Berlin one. Around the entire country.

[Dontrike]

A fence is a type of wall, you can see through it. I mean you quoted it.

Some of the worst deflecting you've ever done, and that is really saying something.

[Breccia]

By the way, just for added fun, here's Breitbart citing a Bush speechwriter.

Frum said, “One of Donald Trump’s difficulties is he doesn’t understand that words connect at points to the real world, that they describe something. He lives in a world in which he watches things on TV, on one network, sometimes CNN a little bit. In that world he’s got designated talkers who are paid by the network, sometimes to go on TV and tell Donald Trump things that he likes. Like the Democrats are divided, or that the country will blame them.”

He added, “Meanwhile, he is about to face this decision. December 31, New Year’s Eve is coming up. There are people who have paid $200,000 annual memberships to go to Mar-a-Lago and schmooze with the president. That’s money that goes into his pocket. He’s expected there. The Secret Service has paid $50,000 for tents for the Secret Service for them at this Mar-a-Lago New Year’s Eve party. Will President Trump go? I assume he will want to go. How will things look the next day when there are images of the president in black tie talking to people who paid $200,000 a year for access to the president while people are out of work? This is a dynamic situation. And there is no exit for the president.”

“He’s already begging for a fig leaf,” he added. “Five billion dollars doesn’t build a wall, now give us $2.5 billion, eventually, give us $1.3. At that point Democrats will say, do they want to give the president cover, and maybe for a lot of reasons they’ll want to do that and proclaim it a victory or they won’t and make him eat it. There’s only one way this ends; Trump backs down, no wall.”

Bolded for hilarity. Breitbart fucking chose to publish this. You can find actual articles written by Frum here. Included are such headlines as "The resignation of James Mattis leaves Congress to face the truth about Trump" and "The speaker’s [Paul Ryan] account of his tenure in office is at odds with observable reality."

[Dontrike]

Unfortunately, the lack of a wall is likely to help spark a second civil war in the US.

How is a lack of wall going to cause a civil war?

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It's time for another tweet from the John.

The subject: closing the border entirely.

He says the US would make a profit by doing so.

The linked article goes into sufficient numeric detail, but it's a clearly transparent bluff. Trump has a list of genuine accomplishments smaller than his dick. NAFTA 1.0.0.2 is one of them. Closing the southern border destroys that.

And of course one of his tweets uses his classic "someone/many say".

.....Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador are doing nothing for the United States but taking our money. Word is that a new Caravan is forming in Honduras and they are doing nothing about it. We will be cutting off all aid to these 3 countries - taking advantage of U.S. for years!

Where exactly do you get "word" of a random caravan? Is Trump one of those cops from a 70's cop show that has an informant?

[Mormolyce]

By the way, just for added fun, here's Breitbart citing a Bush speechwriter.



Bolded for hilarity. Breitbart fucking chose to publish this. You can find actual articles written by Frum here. Included are such headlines as "The resignation of James Mattis leaves Congress to face the truth about Trump" and "The speaker’s [Paul Ryan] account of his tenure in office is at odds with observable reality."

I've spent the last two years watching journalists exhaust their polysyllabic vocabularies finding new ways to phrase the obvious fact that Trump is a lying retard who dribbles shit 24/7 and trying to get meaning out of his words is like reading tea leaves in the cistern of a run down public toilet.

The only thing funnier is when they occasionally adopt a contrarian position and try to imagine that there's some devious plan behind it all, and the moron "act" is designed to distract us from it, while back in reality Trump is shooting himself in the foot so many times it's like the minigun scene from Predator.

(I realise I just implied that people published in Breitbart are journalists, let's call that a rhetorical fiction.)

[Zaydin]

Quite the contrary, it seems everyone is up in arms if anything that isn't a reinforced concrete wall is built regardless if they both serve the same purpose and get the job done.

You really need to pull your head out of the sand accept that the Wall is dead. It's always been dead but you've been clinging to the delusion that Trump is a master negotiator (despite all the evidence to the contrary) who could somehow pull it off despite the fact that every member of Congress in the House who represents a district on the border is opposed to a wall.

The Wall will be deader than disco and Trumps presidency in less than a week when the Democrats take proper control of the House. Their first act will be to pass a clean CR to fund the government and send it to the Senate. If Mitch the Bitch refuses to bring it up for a vote in the Senate, Republicans then take ownership of the shutdown. If he does bring it up for a vote and it passes and Trump vetoes it, it guarantees Republicans taking ownership for the shutdown.

There is no win condition for the anti-American right here. The country as a whole does not want a wall. Only the loud, whiny minority that makes up Trumps base wants a wall.

[zealo]

A fence IS a type of wall.

That's not the type of border wall Trump promised his voters, and you know it. You're only lying to yourself with this kind of argument.

[Shadee]

You really need to pull your head out of the sand accept that the Wall is dead. It's always been dead but you've been clinging to the delusion that Trump is a master negotiator (despite all the evidence to the contrary) who could somehow pull it off despite the fact that every member of Congress in the House who represents a district on the border is opposed to a wall.

The Wall will be deader than disco and Trumps presidency in less than a week when the Democrats take proper control of the House. Their first act will be to pass a clean CR to fund the government and send it to the Senate. If Mitch the Bitch refuses to bring it up for a vote in the Senate, Republicans then take ownership of the shutdown. If he does bring it up for a vote and it passes and Trump vetoes it, it guarantees Republicans taking ownership for the shutdown.

There is no win condition for the anti-American right here. The country as a whole does not want a wall. Only the loud, whiny minority that makes up Trumps base wants a wall.

Wrong!

/10char

[Kujako]

Wrong!

/10char

You tell him! You don't have to pull your head out of ANYTHING you don't want to!

[Zaydin]

Do you think Trump regrets rejecting Democrats offer for 25 billion for border security a year ago in exchange for DACA but instead listened to his neo-Nazi 'adviser' Stephen Miller and said no instead?

He's going to be lucky if he gets even a fraction of that now.

[Breccia]

He's going to be lucky if he gets even a fraction of that now.

I mean, technically, zero is a fraction. But that's the math teacher in me.

On topic, kinda: GoFundMe for tunnels under the Wall started. Yes, it's Florida Man.

Also on topic: upcoming Democratic House not only rolls their eyes at Trump blaming them for the deaths of children he caused, but also, say they will open an investigation to find out the truth. Checks and balances.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Seems everyone is up in arms about the usage of the word "wall." The structure has to be see through for security reasons and also here is the definition of a "fence."

A fence is a structure that encloses an area, typically outdoors, usually consisting of posts that are connected by boards, wire, rails or netting.[1] A fence may be solid in appearance or construction, with a solid foundation along its whole length, and is a type of wall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fence

So when Trump himself said that it would "not be a fence, and it would not be existing structures, it would be a brand new beautiful wall made of concrete and rebar" he was lying to you?

Queue conservatives whining about Obama saying "You can keep your doctor" and the outrage from that.

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Wrong!

/10char

Awww cute, the loud minority thinks it's some kind of silent majority.

[lockedout]

So when Trump himself said that it would "not be a fence, and it would not be existing structures, it would be a brand new beautiful wall made of concrete and rebar" he was lying to you?

Queue conservatives whining about Obama saying "You can keep your doctor" and the outrage from that.

Well at least we know a wall and your health are even grounds in the minds of liberals.

[bagelmanman]

I've spent the last two years watching journalists exhaust their polysyllabic vocabularies finding new ways to phrase the obvious fact that Trump is a lying retard who dribbles shit 24/7 and trying to get meaning out of his words is like reading tea leaves in the cistern of a run down public toilet.

The only thing funnier is when they occasionally adopt a contrarian position and try to imagine that there's some devious plan behind it all, and the moron "act" is designed to distract us from it, while back in reality Trump is shooting himself in the foot so many times it's like the minigun scene from Predator.

(I realise I just implied that people published in Breitbart are journalists, let's call that a rhetorical fiction.)

Glad to see another psycho was banned.

[Dontrike]

Well at least we know a wall and your health are even grounds in the minds of liberals.

.....What? You're going to have to explain this, and actually explain it and not go "a fence is a wall" kind of explanation.

[Breccia]

.....What? You're going to have to explain this, and actually explain it and not go "a fence is a wall" kind of explanation.

He was talking about this:

Queue conservatives whining about Obama saying "You can keep your doctor" and the outrage from that.

So like you said, it's bullshit. And a derailing attempt. Considering his man Trump has shut down the government (costing billions) unilaterally and said he'd be proud to do so then blamed the Democrats, ordered policies that killed multiple children, has not only retreated from the Wall he said he'd design to a steel slat fence my ass could fit through that none of his Wall blueprint designers made anything like, told Pence to crawl back to Pelosi begging for even half the money, and "poor me" is deciding whether or not he should charge his Mar-a-Lago guests they doubled ticket price and not show, OR, go to a lavish multi-million taxpayer-funded party while the 800,000 federal workers whose pay raise he unilaterally took are told to beg their landlords for odd jobs to pay their rent...

...yeah, I'd derail too. If I realized I was an embarrassment, a joke, someone who deserved to be mocked and ridiculed, I'd try to derail with "but Obama!" too. Because that position is undefendable.

So stay on topic. Focus. Keep throwing shit on the Wall and see what sticks. We don't have to change our opinion because Trump tweeted.

[Wyrt]

Seems everyone is up in arms about the usage of the word "wall." The structure has to be see through for security reasons and also here is the definition of a "fence."

A fence is a structure that encloses an area, typically outdoors, usually consisting of posts that are connected by boards, wire, rails or netting.[1] A fence may be solid in appearance or construction, with a solid foundation along its whole length, and is a type of wall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fence

So, what you're saying is that we already have a wall and therefore don't need to spend billions of dollars on a new one?

[Kaleredar]

So, what you're saying is that we already have a wall and therefore don't need to spend billions of dollars on a new one?

What he's saying is that he'll shift goalposts from now until the end of time.

I'd honestly just leave him alone. The mental gymnastics he must be constantly doing must be pain enough.

[Orbitus]

Glad to see another psycho was banned.

And nothing he said, was false. Amazing.

[Dontrike]

Glad to see another psycho was banned.

Do explain how that poster is a "psycho".