There is actually nothing to do in WoW anymore.

[hulkgor]

Haven't had one of this in a couple of ... days, i think?

Still having a blast with raiding and mythic+, and don't have as much time as i'd like for all the minor things, like collecting transmogs\pets\mounts, or pvp, or just world pvping like a madman.

[Daikoku]

As many others have said, there is a lot of content in BfA, but most of it is boring to tears for me. So I unsubscribed after the 8.0 trainwreck, and I don't think I'll be returning until 8.2 at least. Granted, BoD looks like a really good raid, but it isn't enough to entice me to resub.

The main issue with WoW, it is like a Schrodinger's Cat

You don't know how good is an exp until you look " outside " raids.

[Violent]

The answer to that is so simple.


Nothing you do matters. Putting effort into gearing characters is a waste of time. Everything you do now, you will have to do in a few months again and again. You're not even getting new items or running new dungeons.

You're getting the same items in the same dungeons, over and over and over and over again. The only thing that changes is the number in your tooltip, everything else remains the same.

But... That's like life, man. Nothing you do really matters, never really did.

When you run into a nihilistic view of any system, that view can be applied to, just about everything, everywhere, all the time.

You're just living the same day, over & over & over again.

[Prime92]

There's stuff to do. It's just not fun.

Pretty much that.

Endless rng grind everywhere.
- You want to gear up? Run tones of M+ hoping for the right items to drop and get some extras on top of that. Why would you spend many hours in raids hoping for the same rng loot even with guild? Sucks to be not-in-the-meta classes though. Have fun queing for literal hours or grinding 10's at best.
- Wanna get all the mounts or toys or pets? You're out of luck cause there's literally dozens of them being added every minor patch and crap tone more every major patch. Nearly all of them are 1% drops but some are fucking insanely rare and tedious to get. IE mounts - good fucking luck getting even some of them. All world drop mounts - have fun spending an average of ~25*6hours of grinding same freaking spot, but at least you can spend $$ in order to get them within seconds off the AH.
- Wanna pvp? Better be in the Holinka's lucky basket for the expansion or have "fun" being subpar class/spec in random bgs.
- Pet battles - yeah...I'd rather play actual Pokemon.
- Wanna make gold somewhat efficiently? Better have a fucking horde of characters with all professions + PTR access. Oh and yeah, better have luck with procs/right stat rolls/right damn potion of prosperity rolls. Or you know - go into a raid, be the lucky bastard who loots titanforged items with sockets every other week and become a millionair without effort.

Happily unsubsribed after latest patch

[Weeps]

There's stuff to do. It's just not fun.

Exactly. Succinctly put.

All I'm doing is leveling... that's how bad BfA is for me.

People are putting in a lot of hopes and prayers for 8.2 but it is just Antorus 2.0 which sucked big time.

Flying? Way too late. Nobody is interested in doing WQs anymore.

[MrLachyG]

The fact that there is too much tedious rng, not good rng and so many layer of difficulty to appeal every casual players that are making the game not really worth to play beside min effort level.

In Vanilla if BWL was the endgame, getting full t2 was the bus until the next raid, technically like now

BUT

the main difference was that when you get an item in BWL was the BiS, no WF no TF no Socket you got it and gg.

Now you can't really get the final item due to RNG of WF TF Socket, so basically your item is already obsolete if it isn't the BiS One and you are forced to farm it again ( maybe not everybody are feeling forced but the everybody aren't happy like dropping a t2 piece or a weapon from bwl in Vanilla because you don't feel that you have done for that slot and you can move on to other slots )

But then what do you do when you have your full BiS gear from BWL? Literally all you would log on to do is raid prep and raid. Current WoW has a lot more to offer; you can do world quests, emissaries, dungeons, old raids, mount/pet/toy/rep farming amongst other things

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Nothing to do is very extreme edge of false.

Now if you want to debate if you have nothing to do besides what you have been doing for a REALLY long time than ok.

[Ealyssa]

It feels like there is nothing to do. Everything is kinda useless and I will definietly not do things like pet battle or getting transmogs etc. the game is just really dry and repetitive. At least back then you slowly unlocked everything, by doing hard quests to get keys to dungeons etc. nowadays everything is instant and nothing has value in WoW.

Just stop then ?

Its just a game. Its goal isn't to fulfil your life. If you don't like it anymore move over.

[tumppu]

That's the accessibility vortex that sucked the soul out of the game. Plenty of shiny distractions available, but nothing has substance or any actual value.

This is a video game we are talking about. The only actual value is the entertainment you get for playing it. If you're not enjoying yourself while playing, why are you even playing?

[Daikoku]

But then what do you do when you have your full BiS gear from BWL? Literally all you would log on to do is raid prep and raid. Current WoW has a lot more to offer; you can do world quests, emissaries, dungeons, old raids, mount/pet/toy/rep farming amongst other things

You will probably level alts or doing pvp, like now? or even trying a new spec.

WQ and Emissaries cant really be labelled as " a lot more to offer " be honest, we literally AFK or do the usual "kill 1 rare mob" WQ and hope to not do the BEACHED WQ or even not bothering with WQ or Emissaries at all if you are Exalted or not caring about Neck AP min maxing.

Dungeons? If you mean M+ I have already explained why it is getting "worthless" due to TF and WF memes

Farm Mounts and Pet and Toy can still be done in Vanilla but there isn't a tracker like in Live so maybe you aren't willing to do it.

Old Raids, well when you have to do PREVIOUS EXP content to get dopamine, there is a huge problem with current wow.

[McNeil]

BFA is a good example of a game having a lot of content, but still managing to be so boring if there's hardly anything fun to do. And there are still people judging expansions solely by quantity..

[Daikoku]

Also since you pointed out.


Farming MOUNTS in Live vs Vanilla : Live is a matter of +1 while Vanilla was a matter of prestige 100%, because in Vanilla seeing somebody with the Frostsaber Mount was pretty cool while now beside some mounts, everybody can bruteforce with alts and get previous exp mounts.

But again, is this the """problem""" about people getting bored with BFA if there is so much """content""" that they don't perceive it worth to do because it isn't on the middle-long term.


Vanilla had LONG TIME CONSUMING|PREPARATION route before getting the REWARD but then you got it and you get to the end of the road.

BFA has XYZ REWARDS but you don't know what are you getting so you just spam it over and over virtually not getting the real REWARD in the end.

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BFA is a good example of a game having a lot of content, but still managing to be so boring if there's hardly anything fun to do. And there are still people judging expansions solely by quantity..

This is another problem.

A lot of people here are wrongly judging exp by QUANTITY and not QUALITY "BUT BFA HAS A LOT OF THINGS TO DO!" and then they list WQ EMISSARIES WARFRONTS AND EXPEDITION
And they also WRONGLY try to compare BFA to VANILLA trying to show us that BFA is better while you HAVE TO COMPARE BFA TO LEGION and see how bad it is.

Did you forget about Tower Mage? About M+ skin? or any Artifact Skins? Beside the fact that Mage Tower was ez stompable with gear at some point, but where is a solo content this challenging in BFA? something that can give you a prestige reward to show off "hey look im this good i got this on my own" there isnt, BUT they can make it.

[Vrinara]

Another one of those posts.

[Seranthor]

It feels like there is nothing to do. Everything is kinda useless and I will definietly not do things like pet battle or getting transmogs etc. the game is just really dry and repetitive. At least back then you slowly unlocked everything, by doing hard quests to get keys to dungeons etc. nowadays everything is instant and nothing has value in WoW.

If there is 'nothing to do' then perhaps its time to re-assess your gaming needs and find something else to do with your time/money.

[hulkgor]

- Wanna get all the mounts or toys or pets? You're out of luck cause there's literally dozens of them being added every minor patch and crap tone more every major patch.)

You're really complaining about having more pets\mounts to collect? Regardless of low %s to obtain them? Wow.

[Solidsteel]

Game is utter trash, has been for a long time.

[Sansnom]

It feels like there is nothing to do. Everything is kinda useless and I will definietly not do things like pet battle or getting transmogs etc. the game is just really dry and repetitive.

Has always been like this.

At least back then you slowly unlocked everything, by doing hard quests to get keys to dungeons etc. nowadays everything is instant and nothing has value in WoW.

Slower, yes. Harder, no. The hard part was finding people for groups.

[Daikoku]

One thing i never understood is why Blizzard let die so fast M+ in WoW beside MDI

I can get M+ in Legion, it was the NEW STUFF so ok, fine.

But in BFA? Again pushing keys for score gratification on a PLAYERS MADE Addon? Literally players had to create content for M+ because there wasn't


How hard could have been to make Season Rewards?

Season 1 M+

Doing +10 First Time : Unlock Toy
Doing +15 First Time : Unlock Pet
Doing +15 +3 : Unlock a Title
Doing +20 First Time : Unlock a Mount
Doing +20 +3 : Unlock an XMOG SET


Season End Rewards : UNIQUE Titles for having the BEST TIME on your own server, like it was in WOD but permanently

[RoKPaNda]

The fact that there is too much tedious rng, not good rng and so many layer of difficulty to appeal every casual players that are making the game not really worth to play beside min effort level.

In Vanilla if BWL was the endgame, getting full t2 was the bus until the next raid, technically like now

BUT

the main difference was that when you get an item in BWL was the BiS, no WF no TF no Socket you got it and gg.

Now you can't really get the final item due to RNG of WF TF Socket, so basically your item is already obsolete if it isn't the BiS One and you are forced to farm it again ( maybe not everybody are feeling forced but the everybody aren't happy like dropping a t2 piece or a weapon from bwl in Vanilla because you don't feel that you have done for that slot and you can move on to other slots )

That's a personal problem, not a game problem. If you get an amazing item and you're not happy with it because it didn't perfectly TF, that's really your problem. Even on the very top end, outside of the race for WF, that's not really a thing. I have guildies like that, but it's not a reasonable expectation that your drops TF. This is why we can't have nice things, because people treat a fun bonus like a necessity. I'm glad Blizzard doesn't balance around that mentality anymore.

Actually, Vanilla itemization had it's own issues. Every iteration of WoW has had it's own itemization issues. In Vanilla it was that you had some very over budgeted items so you'd have some blues that were better than epics, you had some epics that were far and away better than anything else for multiple classes, you had situations where something outside your armor type was better for you than things within your armor type.

What kept you playing as a raider in Vanilla, outside of enjoying it, was item rarity. Fewer items dropped and had to be split among a higher number of players in a raid. You want that sweet weapon? You're competing with every other warrior/rogue and you might not ever see one again, same with trinkets. Oh cool, you got that really sweet trinket from BWL and you're never going to replace it until the expansion but your raid never saw another one.

Now if you were a casual in Vanilla WoW, which most players were and still are and always will be, you had a handful of dungeons that you could run for some never changing loot and then you run out of things to do and quit, but nobody knows that you quit because the number of new players coming in was greater than the number of old players coming out creating the illusion for many years that subs weren't always cyclical.

Vanilla had it's own issues, and quite frankly I prefer the game as it is today.

[Elias01]

You're really complaining about having more pets\mounts to collect? Regardless of low %s to obtain them? Wow.

Mo but most people will not bother with collecting this type of rewards when Blizzard so many of them into the game just for sake of collection. It got to the point you cant be never finishid with it so people stop caring to collect them. Also mounts are no longer anything awesome no matter what mount you obtain becouse there is so many of them. Legion added 120 mounts. 120 mounts for 1 expansion is crazy. They should add 8-10 max to keep their value and being actualy possible to collect all over the course of expansion.