White Supremacists chant "6 million more" at Holocaust memorial

[whynotchris]

There is actually a thing as too much freedom. Yeah, I'm gonna get shit for saying that from people who actually own their freedom to people who abuse it for horrible narratives. As a free nation we are not beholden to allow these asshats their 1st amendment.

[J012D4N]

There is actually a thing as too much freedom. Yeah, I'm gonna get shit for saying that from people who actually own their freedom to people who abuse it for horrible narratives. As a free nation we are not beholden to allow these asshats their 1st amendment.

No, no. We're beholden to uphold the 1st amendment, regardless of context (excluding incitement), for those promoting a sort of economic/political/social blasphemy.
Individuals will always conquer themselves with idiotic thinking (I'm better than "x" b/c my pigment tone) of this sort regardless, which is why we allow it. There's no legal, ethical or viable manner of triage for social retardation (maybe a penal colony???) within a democratic republic, specifically one with a constitution of individual protected rights at it's core (again, maybe a penal colony we "encourage" them to migrate to??? Must be something in the Mariana's we could use).

$0.02

[Jotaux]

So they deny the holocaust happened but at the same time acknowledge they want another one to happen?

[arandomuser]

this is why dresden was justified, i wish hitler didnt surrender so we could of dropped a couple little boys(nuclear bombs) on them

[Knuckle]

Question. We all have phones, so I would assume there's video proof of this happening?

[Mormolyce]

Goldwater won Arizona btw, even though you keep saying otherwise.

Oh yeah, one other state lol. Great point ahahaha. Is this the best you've got?

Yes. Yes it is.

Just a reminder to any casual observers that this is Marakesh's specious attempt to interpret the following map as "not winning the South":

Why do you think Nixon won the 72 election by 49 states to 1, including the south, after he began federal affirmative action? Its not like he quit civil rights after being one of its leading advocates in the 50's, he's still at it, right there in his first term in office and he's pushing for more. How does that fit into your narrative of a southern strategy?

Because Nixon successfully portrayed him as a scary socialist and the South figured he was the most friendly option, affirmative action or otherwise. Good that you bring that up, since it was the template for the Republican efforts in the South for the rest of the 20th Century and one of the key reasons why Nixon is considered one of the fathers of the Southern Strategy (that and sweeping the South for the first time apart from Goldwater's failed campaign). Plus CREEP's "dirty tricks"... you know, including fucking Watergate.

"My narrative" LOL, I'm literally just explaining history to you.

Why did Jimmy Carter win the entire south in 1976? Its not like anyone is going to confuse him with George Wallace.

Because Nixon was impeached LOL.

[Marakesh]

Oh yeah, one other state lol. Great point ahahaha. Is this the best you've got?

Yes. Yes it is.

Just a reminder to any casual observers that this is Marakesh's specious attempt to interpret the following map as "not winning the South":

That shows Goldwater getting less than half of the southern vote, and little different than what Republicans were getting the 3 elections before that. Why you think that's proof, I do not know. It also shows he got beat down in that election and I assume that's why you want to cherrypick one number without looking at the whole progression. Your using the tactics of those who make the really bad arguments against global warming and generally don't like science. I've given you the results for the 6-8 elections around the CRA that supposedly led to this southern strategy.

Also, can you point to anything he actively did to make them believe he was going to reinstate all those Jim Crow laws? In fact, LBJ's campaign, at the same time they were trying to portray Goldwater as KKK friendly in the north, they were telling all the southerners about Goldwater's voting record for civil rights in the 50's. No one was going to mistake him for segregation friendly in that election.

Because Nixon successfully portrayed him as a scary socialist and the South figured he was the most friendly option, affirmative action or otherwise. Good that you bring that up, since it was the template for the Republican efforts in the South for the rest of the 20th Century and one of the key reasons why Nixon is considered one of the fathers of the Southern Strategy (that and sweeping the South for the first time apart from Goldwater's failed campaign). Plus CREEP's "dirty tricks"... you know, including fucking Watergate.

"My narrative" LOL, I'm literally just explaining history to you.

Because Nixon was impeached LOL.

Portrayed him as a scary socialist? That's exactly what all the southern politicians were! We already went over how their votes were key to passing all of FDR's programs in the 30's. That's the other reason southerners voted democrat back then. We've also already discussed FDR killing anti-lynching legislation to keep them happy. That was part of the old pact.

Except once segregation was over, the democrats had no leverage. Then, with the help of higher skilled northern immigrants, the southern states economies began to flourish. Why vote for keeping everyone else down when your life is getting better and better? That's not an uncommon phenomena.

Also, LBJ had more dirty tricks than any other president. Look up his penchant for vote fraud, but the best of it was in the Bobbie Baker scandal which might have taken him out if not for the Kennedy assassination.

One of the dirty tricks he used against Goldwater in 64 was having the CIA spy on his opponent's campaign. That's right, 2016 was not the first time this happened, LBJ had already done it all the way back then. And which CIA officer was put in charge of this effort? E Howard Hunt, who goes on to run Nixon's CRP. Crazy, huh? Is that an accident that Nixon on finding out from Hunt what LBJ had been up to all along, and knowing it was possible he lost 1960 due to vote fraud, thought it was acceptable to use the same tactics?

This stuff is all in the public record btw from when congress investigated the CIA in the 70's. When confronted with this, the people involved at the CIA blamed the one guy in the chain of command from Hunt to LBJ who happened to be dead already. Very convenient!

Sure, being honest and earnest helped Jimmy Carter after the LBJ and Nixon years. If you look at what southern politicians spend a lot of time on since then I see very little interest in race. I do see a lot of talk about religion. So, you can imagine they somehow have different motives and provide some real proof or we can accept that southerners liked Carter because he was big into Jesus and then voted for Republicans for a similar reason.

I almost forgot the most outrageous thing you said. What was McGovern going to do beyond affirmative action? The things you say just astound me. Like the south is going to vote for the guy with the full civil rights record, even into government enforcement stuff the rest of the Republicans didn't like, because the other guy was ... ? How is that even an argument?

[lummiuster]

Actually that is hilariously wrong because most Jewish people vote Democrat. In fact every Jewish Represenative and Senator in Congress is a Democrat. I mean you can listen to a verified con man in Trump doesn't make what he says true.

Most jews vote republican man. This party literally puts Israel's interests over american interests. Look at the huge drama happening regarding Iran. They did nothing to provoke us. This shit show is 100% caused by Israel wanting us to fight their war.

[pathora44]

Most jews vote republican man. This party literally puts Israel's interests over american interests. Look at the huge drama happening regarding Iran. They did nothing to provoke us. This shit show is 100% caused by Israel wanting us to fight their war.

https://www.google.com/search?client...eople+vote+for

I just googled it for you in the last midterms anywhere from 70 to 80% of Jewish people that voted voted for a Democrat. Trump and the Republicans might be saying that Jewish people are voting Republican but it just isn't true. Now maybe the very religious Jewish people are voting Republican but the more moderate and less religious Jewish people are definitely voting Democrat.

[lummiuster]

https://www.google.com/search?client...eople+vote+for

I just googled it for you in the last midterms anywhere from 70 to 80% of Jewish people that voted voted for a Democrat. Trump and the Republicans might be saying that Jewish people are voting Republican but it just isn't true. Now maybe the very religious Jewish people are voting Republican but the more moderate and less religious Jewish people are definitely voting Democrat.

yeah but today people identify to one religion when they should not. Jews eating porc cheeseburgers, christians on their 3rd abortion and 4th husband, muslims drinking alcohol and joining isis are all not religious people. Somehow they think they are because their parents are and they start praying when they are about to die.

[pathora44]

yeah but today people identify to one religion when they should not. Jews eating porc cheeseburgers, christians on their 3rd abortion and 4th husband, muslims drinking alcohol and joining isis are all not religious people. Somehow they think they are because their parents are and they start praying when they are about to die.

Well they are considered Jewish by the Israeli Government. I believe by Jewish law as long as your Mother was Jewish you are born Jewish even if you do not practice.

[Noxx79]

yeah but today people identify to one religion when they should not. Jews eating porc cheeseburgers, christians on their 3rd abortion and 4th husband, muslims drinking alcohol and joining isis are all not religious people. Somehow they think they are because their parents are and they start praying when they are about to die.

So they’re not the right kind of Jews? Way to shift goalposts.

Here’s some reading material for you:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Judaism

[Armadildo]

Who cares? Jews arent the belly button of the world.

[ChampionChains]

When I was a kid, I thought that by now all of our best videogames would be completely immersive virtual reality. Not the "wear a phone on your face" shit we have now, but real VR like in the movies.

Unfortunately, I couldn't have been more wrong. But before I die, it looks like I'm going to get to play a real life version of Wolfenstein. And the best part is I don't even have to travel to Germany to shoot Nazis because they're more prevalent here in America than anywhere in Europe. It's better than VR, but you only get one life, total hardcore mode.

[lummiuster]

Well they are considered Jewish by the Israeli Government. I believe by Jewish law as long as your Mother was Jewish you are born Jewish even if you do not practice.

I know.. These Israelis are fuckin nuts man. There is no where in the Torah that is says that someone can't be jewish if they believe in all of what is in the book. These guys keep distorting Judaism and they pretend it is right for them to kill and steal lands by force to create a nation even though the Torah firmly stands against it. They are the equivalent of ISIS to Muslims.

[Ooid]

When I was a kid, I thought that by now all of our best videogames would be completely immersive virtual reality. Not the "wear a phone on your face" shit we have now, but real VR like in the movies.

Unfortunately, I couldn't have been more wrong. But before I die, it looks like I'm going to get to play a real life version of Wolfenstein. And the best part is I don't even have to travel to Germany to shoot Nazis because they're more prevalent here in America than anywhere in Europe. It's better than VR, but you only get one life, total hardcore mode.

ow the edge

[Reaper0329]

ow the edge

Boot up "Crawling" by Linkin Park, wait for the chorus, and read it again. It's quite a laugh.

[ChampionChains]

Boot up "Crawling" by Linkin Park, wait for the chorus, and read it again. It's quite a laugh.

Fuck that, roll Papa Roach for the full effect.

[Reaper0329]

Fuck that, roll Papa Roach for the full effect.

Last Resort.

I love it.

[Daelak]

You're just repeating a bunch of sweeping generalizations. Its like this good vs evil view of history which is usually held by the worst sorts. If you think 2 people who had extensive, well known support for civil rights before this were suddenly courting the KKK - alright have it. Not only that in Nixon's first term as president he implemented one of the first major federal affirmative action programs. That's not really the thing to do if you're all about secretly being racist and all. And then he did win the south (along with entire rest of the country) in 72.

No generalizations, specific points in time showing the changing of national strategy employed by conservatives due to the "gross federal overreach" of desegregation and the civil rights protections of black US citizens. The KKK is a canard; a mere sideshow utilized by conservatives to deflect from their successful and ongoing policies that isolated and ruined the lives of black US citizens for generations. The Nixon Administration was merely running with the policy set by the CRA, because they too knew that is was as untouchable in terms of constitutionality as Brown v. Board of Education. This is precisely why the DEA was formed. An agency of the executive branch that could have a national reach in ensuring the lives of black US citizens would never be on par with the white constituency of conservatism and the republican party.

Maybe, democrats were just mad that once the south didn't have to worry about preserving their backwards system they realized they didn't have anything in common with them. Maybe growing cities, high skill northern immigrants, and a booming economy were all now possible, and being business friendly was a better outlook than regressive populism. Maybe religion and foreign policy played a part as well.

Southern cities, even after desegregation and the CRA/VRA, have still been in economic stasis, until the past decade. This is directly attributable to white conservatives (segregationists) creating suburbs, using zoning ordinance to isolate where blacks and other minorities were allowed to live. My city of Nashville is no different; until this decade, the pockets of deepest economic isolation and violent/drug crime were all delineated by industrial zoning, railroads, rivers, and the interstate system. Throw in the incorporated neighborhoods with their own police forces, and you had a multi-layered system to ensure segregation and isolation, created over 70 years ago.

Once again you ignore the fact that zoning is a local law. Do you know how many major cities have had a Republican mayor in the last 50+ years? Most have not and even the few that do have like a couple and they're usually pretty left of center. In fact, the furthest left wing elected officials in America are big city mayors. How on earth is zoning and red lining and police targeting and all this other stuff still a problem then???

Conservative (segregationists) people created the zoning ordinances for my city and virtually every US city prior to desegregation. The white flight started showing its wings when Eisenhower desegregated the military, and it culminated into the full vacation during the civil rights march. Among the segregationist citizenry the marches, the protests, the speeches, were all looked on in disdain. The ability to change zoning ordinance was impossible without the economic resources that were not available to the inner city populations in the US due to segregationist control of the local and regional banking systems. Consider the economic reality of today's disparity in familial wealth between a white family and a black one on this page. https://clarifi.org/programs/clarifi...t-sheet-racial

Just look up gerrymandering. I mean really, really.

I'm unaware of anymore segregation in southern cities today than northern or western ones, but if you have some information to back this up, please do.

I fully aware how conservative state lawmakers exploit the incredibly flawed process to determine district sizes, where it is used solely for magnifying their political power. Here's an informative link showing it.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tricting-maps/

And another major issue that is constantly ignored by conservatives is the way overdue of the creation of additional districts. The constitutionally-mandated lower limit is 30,000 citizens to one representative; we are currently at 700,000 to one and growing. This has had devastating effects on both the civic-engagement of the citizenry as well as the exponential growth of power that these representatives enjoy. The senate is even more egregious; one person has the authority of over tens of millions of people, a feeling that would not go over well with the progressive founding fathers, but would of been supported by past conservatives, and of course today's conservatives.